04-05-2022, 10:48 AM | #1 |
Join Date: Apr 2005
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Edged Rapier
If used with Broadsword skill (even as a default from Rapier skill) it appears that the Edged Rapier would not count as a fencing weapon and would thus be able to parry flails. Is this correct?
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04-05-2022, 12:06 PM | #2 |
Join Date: Aug 2007
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Re: Edged Rapier
It is in mainline Gurps.
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04-05-2022, 12:32 PM | #3 |
Join Date: May 2007
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Re: Edged Rapier
Regular GURPS includes a rule to the effect that fencing weapons that are heavy enough to be used with a non-fencing skill are considered substantial enough to parry flails as a normal weapon (whichever skill they are being used with at the time). I don't know if Dungeon Fantasy includes similar ruling, but it would be a reasonable house rule.
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04-07-2022, 10:12 AM | #4 |
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Re: Edged Rapier
The Parry column of the Edged Rapier entry when used with the Broadsword skill (Adventurers page 99) says "0", and not "0F". I think your understanding is correct.
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04-07-2022, 04:28 PM | #5 |
Join Date: Oct 2010
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Re: Edged Rapier
Its the skill that prevents the weapon from parrying a flail, not the weapon itself. So if a weapon is useable with several skills, and one of those skills is not a "fencing" skill, then you can use said weapon to parry flails.
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04-08-2022, 02:22 AM | #6 |
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Re: Edged Rapier
That makes no sense. The reason fencing weapons can't parry flails is that they are thin and flimsy. The skill used doesn't influence blade width.
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04-08-2022, 06:10 AM | #7 |
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Re: Edged Rapier
The edged rapier weighs 3 pounds, which is the same weight as a broadsword. True, it is longer, and thus thinner. But it’s not as if it is “too light” to parry a flail. The designers clearly intend this, since a combatant explicitly can use an edged rapier with the broadsword skill, i.e., as a broadsword (Adventurers, p. 99). Notably, none of the other fencing swords, like the rapier (2.75 lbs), light rapier (2 lbs) or saber (2 lbs) can be used with that skill.
Having recently watched a Matt Easton (scholagladiatoria) video on sword grip lengths, one can imagine that the grip one uses, or the technique used, could affect one’s ability to parry. Therefore, it does make sense that when a combatant uses an edged rapier with the rapier skill,he or she gets the 0F parry ability, whereas when he or she fights with it using the broadsword skill, he or she doesn’t get the +3 retreat bonus (parry of 0 as opposed to 0F), but still can parry a flail. |
04-08-2022, 09:55 AM | #8 | |
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Re: Edged Rapier
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04-08-2022, 10:19 AM | #9 | |
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Re: Edged Rapier
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I suspect it's there to have flails remain effective against fencing parries when fencing parries were significantly better than other parries at 2/3 skill (and hence wouldn't be severely downgraded by a penalty that wasn't so big non-fencing weapons wouldn't have a chance at all) and just held on when that went away
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04-08-2022, 10:37 AM | #10 |
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Re: Edged Rapier
I believe that would require the Form Mastery Perk. It's what ISTR for Spear/Staff tricks.
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