05-29-2022, 09:56 AM | #1 |
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GURPS Racial Templates
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So I've been playing 4e GURPS with my friends for a while now and I'm branching out to try and make some characters of different races: Dwarves, Elves, Fairies, etc. But I look at the racial templates and: You MUST spend 35 points to make a dwarf and take all these stats, you MUST spend 150 points to make a Vampire and take all these stats. What the crap?! That means humans are instantly going to be immediately better in any skills because they didn't need to waste points just creating their character that is average for the race. Humans start at 0 but Dwarves start at -35? How is that fair and balanced? It feels like there is no incentive to play anything other than humans for every game. Humans don't have to buy Opposable Thumbs [10], Social Animal [10], Warm Blooded [5] etc right off the bat. Also, if I make a giant I get a 10% discount on ST points per +1 Size Modifier, but if I make a fairy I don't get any discounts on any attribute points at all. If I lower ST to 6 (because Fairy) I'm going to have to spend that 40 extra points on flight straight away anyway. Is there some other module that has been released which balances the races better than the 4e Basic Set? Last edited by philreed; 05-30-2022 at 06:29 AM. |
05-29-2022, 10:07 AM | #2 | |
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Re: GURPS Racism
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How would you handle them?
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05-29-2022, 10:11 AM | #3 |
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Re: GURPS Racism
GURPS is a point-buy system, and an inescapable consequence of that design paradigm is that any point spent on one thing incurs an opportunity cost in that said point cannot be spent on anything else.
That might mean that a character with an expensive racial template (such as a vampire) will end up less skilled than a character at a similar point total than one who dumped all of their points into skills- but said skillful character won't be hypnotizing people, turning into swarms of bats, or shrugging off injuries that would kill a normal person.
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05-29-2022, 10:16 AM | #4 |
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Re: GURPS Racism
You seem to be working off of the assumption that what GURPS calls a “racial template” is a separate and special part of the character when it's not, it's just another pile of traits that a character can have. It just happens to be a pile of traits with social (non-game-mechanical) indicators attached.
A Navy SEAL is going to be a higher point value character than an average bloke, because the SEAL has lots of training and physical conditioning the average bloke doesn't have. If that SEAL is also an Elf, then they're going to be a higher-point value than the average SEAL, because they can do things that the SEAL can't. The same thing holds true if the SEAL was an ordinary human who obtained elf-like capabilities through innate talent, training, or augmentations — if you have a trait, you're paying points for that trait. |
05-29-2022, 10:35 AM | #5 |
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Re: GURPS Racism
GURPS is not like other systems where races are blackboxed and just come as is. In GURPS - in all of GURPS - you get what you pay for. So if your race is strong you pay for extra ST. Humans can buy ST too - but they'll never be as strong as the strongest member of a strong race. That's just how it works.
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05-29-2022, 10:39 AM | #6 |
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Re: GURPS Racism
The alternative would be to make all racial templates come out to 0 points, which would be a bother.
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05-29-2022, 10:45 AM | #7 | |
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You seem to be giving no value to the Traits in a Racial Template but they are as valuable there as they would be if you bought them independantly. That +1 to HT that Dwarves get is certainly valuable. If you were making a Human I'd almsot always recommend you spend some pts on raising HT above 10.
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05-29-2022, 10:52 AM | #8 | ||||
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So something like: Human ST10, DX10, IQ10, HT10 Dwarf ST12, DX8, IQ9, HT11 Elf ST8, DX12, IQ10, HT9 Then you start out with that class, with racial traits already installed like night vision, long sight, etc. If the GM allows the race in the game, then you can choose it as your base and build from there. Either that or make it cheaper for different races to buy into different stats. Dwarves and giants buy HT and ST at half that of humans, but DX at double. Elves buy DX at half, but ST at double. The thing is, creatures like Half-Elves are just better than humans. They would pretty much be 11s across the board, because they're the best of both races. However, the GM could then make them less desirable by setting their Status at being less than ideal. Ostracised by Humans and Elves for example. Not saying I have all the answers, but the way it is now just seems unfairly weighted in favour of humans. Quote:
It's unfair to the other races that humans don't have to buy their natural traits, but they do. Quote:
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It would make character creation much more dynamic. You'd be able to think about the world you're going into and what you think would be most fun. Rather than just a human fighter calling himself an Aarakocra and spending all your points on the Advantages and disadvantages trying to make him seem like one, then not having any points left for skills. |
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05-29-2022, 10:52 AM | #9 |
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Re: GURPS Racism
But yes, races with lower point cost (like humans in DF) have more flexibility than other races. However, often a non-human has traits that a human cannot get. For instance, in my world dwarves get Dark Vision for 25 points. That's something a human cannot normally have. So there are swings and roundabouts.
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05-29-2022, 10:54 AM | #10 |
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Re: GURPS Racism
If you think this is a problem (it's not), then just say something like "You each get 150 character points to start with, not including your racial template, which you can choose from the following list." Of course, this will mean that players will all choose the best race available, because it's "free."
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