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Originally Posted by Fred Brackin
Corwin could sprint for hours while holdin a 200 lb man in his arms while he may have been a weakened condition. Cowin and Random once fenced for 24 hours straight. That's beyond even HT15 and Very Fit.
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With a 16+, you fail ~2%, but only lose half the fatigue (VF), or basically 1 fatigue per 100 rolls which comes out to about 1 FP/25 min for about 5 hour before any rest. A higher HT doesn't help (HT14 + VF already gets you to 16), though each additional FP would add 25 min of sprinting time. Lancelot should be under BL for Corwin's ST.
As for the 24 hour fencing, I'm not sure how much fatigue it would require, put presumably it would more like paced running than sprinting. To get to 24 hour of paced running without any breaks you'd need 20+ FP.
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I also once googled for 1960s Mercedes jsut to see how strong Corwin and Random needed to be for that car lifting stunt in the first book. Unless their sister had a sporty little coupe I got answers more like 35+ than 30. Benedict could also lift and throw a large man across a room one-handed. That's about ST 35 too.
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I come up with 2568lbs. I couldn't find the working together rules other than a vague reference to add BLs. That would give you a BL360 for 2 ST30 characters allowing them to lift and move a car up to 3600lbs without extra effort at 1/5 move. That seems high enough unless you're suggesting a lower enc value?
A large man (300lbs?) with ST 30 (BL 180) is a .6 ratio, using the higher (.75) that's a x.7 distance multiplier for 21 yards on a one-handed throw. How large of a room are you envisioning (not snarky, necessary to figure out the math right)?
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Later generations don't appear to be so tough. Merlin and Luke joined a college track team and sincerely competed againt normal humans for example.
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Actually, IIRC first clue that Luke wasn't "normal" was that they really only competed against each other. Of course neither of them gained notoriety for shattering world records either so I suspect that they were closer to top human than into the "no human could possibly do this" category.
Later on Luke demonstrates pretty amazing ST wrestling Dalt, so I'm not sure how much later generations really lose.
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So say the car weighs 3000 lbs.—light, but not a subcompact. Each of them needs to lift 1500 lbs. If that's a heavy load, then their Basic Lift needs to be 250 lbs. If they have ST 35, their Basic Lift is 245 lbs., which is probably close enough. So giving them ST +25 would get them somewhere near to the right range.
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35 isn't unreasonable for those two. It's a bit higher than I had it (closer to 30), but I was figuring it at X-Hvy instead of Hvy. The real question becomes whether or not to use Lifting ST or KYOS at that point, since ST25+ gets a very poor return on the points spent.