09-11-2017, 09:07 AM | #21 | |
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Re: Altered time rate /Great Haste question.
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Alternatively if you just look at the rules as written in the Basic Set rather than placing priority on Kromm's forum posts etc., then it is the case that ATR actually makes time pass twice as fast for you in all respects (except reaction time), but GURPS don't take speed into account when determining how easy it is for people to defend against attacks (neither for the defender nor for the attack which is why it is equally easy to dodge a bullet and a thrown rock), so the end result is kind of the same for combat (except if you introduced rules for how speed affect those things, in which case ATR might get significantly more useful). Last edited by Andreas; 09-11-2017 at 09:11 AM. |
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09-11-2017, 10:07 AM | #22 |
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Re: Altered time rate /Great Haste question.
Yeah, had a highly skilled dual-wielding fencer in my previous campaign and a common tactic for the party was to Great Haste him.
He'd do Heroic Charge, All-Out Attack-Double, Rapid Strike, Extra Attack, and hit four times (two at rapid penalty), then for his second turn, he'd do a Step and Attack, Rapid Strike, Extra Attack and hit three times and still be able get his normal fencing parries. He'd tear through enemy forces. |
09-11-2017, 10:40 AM | #23 |
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09-11-2017, 11:18 AM | #24 |
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Re: Altered time rate /Great Haste question.
Yes, but that does not mean that Waiting should negate the bonuses from a speed advantage. Waiting does not necessarily mean that you successfully anticipate how your opponent is going to move (which Deathstroke seemed to do in the comic page which I assume you are refering to). Also as I understand it (and which that comic page seems to support with the "but he's quicker where it counts" statement), even if he can't run as fast as Wally West, Deathstroke is also superhumanly fast in his ability to pull of such feats.
If you somehow predict how your opponent is going to move and if your timing is good enough (perhaps due to having something like Enhanced Time Sense), it would be entirely reasonable be able to stap someone no matter how fast he is. However if you can't predict how your opponent is going to move and especially if your opponent adjusts his movements based on what you do, then being much faster would reasonably give a huge advantage to your opponent regardless of whether you are willing to Wait or not. Last edited by Andreas; 09-11-2017 at 11:21 AM. |
09-11-2017, 11:25 AM | #25 | |
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09-11-2017, 11:37 AM | #26 |
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Re: Altered time rate /Great Haste question.
Not for defending against such attacks. The ATR only speedster being a speedster does not in GURPS make him better at defense against someone who Waits (though it does of course give him large advantages in other regards). Hitting such a speedster by Waiting is equally difficult as hitting a normal person in the same way.
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09-11-2017, 11:41 AM | #27 | |
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09-11-2017, 11:44 AM | #28 |
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That does not make him more likely to avoid that attack than a normal person who runs up with AoD:Dodge to trigger the wait like that like that. It just means that the he is fast enough to run away before the opponent might attack a second time.
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Edit: Does Super-Speed Talent add half levels to defenses? It probably should. Last edited by sir_pudding; 09-11-2017 at 12:11 PM. |
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09-11-2017, 12:09 PM | #30 |
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