03-14-2012, 03:58 PM | #1 |
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animal combat
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well a lot of talk has bin in my grub about Bears and how can they do attacks one of my players can shape shift in to a bear and when he is in bear form. as bear he has bite and claw attack, in at least in DnD he wood be able to make 1 bite and 2 claw attack (with penalty's off cores) 1. dose the normal off hand rule apply to him 2. if so what is his "off hand"? is the bite attack his "main weapon" 3. if so when he takes ambidextrous dose it apply to... what attack 4. if he has extra attack advantage at least 1 lvl can he combine bite + 2 claw attack using dual attack. or with extra attack lvl 2 |
03-14-2012, 04:10 PM | #2 | ||||
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All out attack Double lets you attack twice, it can be both the same weapon or 2 different ones (2 claw swipes or a bites and claw or a bite bite) Rapid strikes lets you attack twice with the same weapon at a skill penalty of -6 dual weapon attack lets you attack with 2 different weapons at skill -4 the last 2 are things you can use on a skill while the first was a maneuver you can choose. so you can combine them. AoAD and making one of the a rapid strike gives you 3 attacks, one at full skill and 2 at skill-4 (a bite and claw swipe with both paws if you would imagine) extra attack lets you add another attack maneuver to your turn so if you have that you can: AoAD with dual weapon and extra attack X giving you X extra attacks, 1 at skill level and 2 at skill lvl -4 hope that help |
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03-14-2012, 04:11 PM | #3 | |
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2. In any case, off-hand only applies to a single-hand attack - the bite never suffers the off-hand penalty, and if making three attacks (bite/claw/claw) only one claw might suffer off-hand penalty (see 1). 3. Ambidexterity removes the off-hand penalty for all uses, but per 1 is not needed for striking with a Brawling attack. 4. Yep! Extra Attack gives one extra strike with a limb not used by another attack that round (unless modified with Multistrike), and can be combined with Dual-Weapon Attack or Rapid Strike. DWA also needs to be made with two different limbs, so to combine DWA with normal EA requires 3 available striking limbs - not a problem for this bear. For a Swashbuckler with a Rapier, Main-Gauche and unmodified EA, he'd need to use Rapid Strike to hit three times with the two weapons. I would add that DnD assumes a much longer turn length than GURPS's 1 second. As such, even though mundane bears in DnD may be given three attacks per round, this doesn't mean they should necessarily have the same attack rate in GURPS. See the Bear statistics in the Basic Set (pg 456) for an example. |
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03-14-2012, 04:15 PM | #4 | |||
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Yes, the normal off-hand rules apply to all GURPS characters.
However, unarmed combat per Basic Set does not have an off hand penalty, so that's not an issue for combat. Quote:
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Do note that that would mean he's making 3 attacks per second, which is to say the bear is going to be moving very very fast.
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03-15-2012, 05:37 AM | #5 | |
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03-15-2012, 05:39 AM | #6 |
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03-15-2012, 05:41 AM | #7 |
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03-15-2012, 08:47 AM | #8 |
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I would hesitate to try and duplicate the way bears work in D&D, GURPS combat is a lot less abstracted.
It is important to consider that a GURPS round is 1 second, and a D&D round is 6 seconds. Characters can do less each round because each round is shorter. I however find this much more satisfying, because every attack and every defense is described in detail and all of your choices have realistic consequences. The traditional bear attack is a two armed grapple in round 1 (grappling with both hands counts as just 1 attack) and a bite attack against the grappled opponent (who now has limited defenses) in round 2. You can accomplish this in 1 round with All-Out-Attack (Double) or Rapid Strike (-6 to skill). IRL, when a bear swipes at someone to damage them rather than just to grapple, they generally do it with just 1 paw at a time. One claw filled paw powered by 500 lbs of bear is PLENTY. If you really need to hit someone with both claws simultaneously, I'd recommend Dual Weapon Attack (-4 to each attack, but with a penalty to parry).
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03-15-2012, 01:45 PM | #9 | |
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i totlay agre. and i don't like the fact with extra attack lvl 2 the rules allow a player 2 make FULL ****ing attack with no defense penalty. sure with all out attacks at least then you have NO deference at least with the rules in gurps its bit to easy to kill some one in one round :S |
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03-15-2012, 01:55 PM | #10 | |
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Because GURPS is designed to cover so many different games and scenarios, it's important that the GM set boundaries. Also keep in mind that Extra Attack lvl 2 costs 50 points. That's a lot of points that could have been spent elsewhere on equally powerful abilities: if he wants to be the lightning bear than he's probably neglecting his character in other areas.
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