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Old 11-22-2022, 10:00 AM   #31
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My guess is when GURPS Fantasy 4e was published in February 2006
Except GURPS Fourth Edition Frequently Asked Questions page expressly states "Last Updated June 20, 2012" so the change over from IQ 0 meaning "mindless" and meaning "nonsentient" had to occur sometime between 2012 and 2022.

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F58 has an IQ0 Herecine which clearly has some limited mind.
I read it as more along the lines of the venus fly trap.
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Old 11-24-2022, 07:27 AM   #32
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the reason you use plant college to control plants have nothing to do with the mind/brain/IQ level.
Yes, but you could use Mind effects to manipulate the mind of an intelligent plant
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Old 11-24-2022, 07:33 AM   #33
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They didn't use 19trh century definitions back when I studied marine biology which was long ago but not actually in the 19th century.

Creatures were "more advanced" based on what features they had and when those features appeared.

You also underrate the neural network of jellyfish.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jellyfish

They are capable of far more complex behaviors than bacteria.
Nice, I studied marine biology too haha. Such a coincidence.

Yes, jellyfishes do have some neural responses... But I would hardly classify those are IQ 1 material - which if Im not mistaken, is the ratting of insects, is it not? Or are insects IQ 2? I believe it's 1, but even if it's 2, I could accept the 3 phylos of "worms" (sorry, Im not gonna try to type their names in english, but I do know them) as IQ 1, but I still remain on the opinion that Jellyfishes are still on the IQ 0.
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Old 11-24-2022, 07:39 AM   #34
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This is a common Feature for magical creatures. If you can't be affected by Mind Control college spells, but can be affected by spells of another college it's an even trade-off worth no points.

Animals = Animal.
Elementals = Appropriate elemental college.
Fungi = Fungi (if you don't fold Fungi in with Plant magic)
Machines = Technology.
Plants = Plant.
Lesser Undead = Necromantic.

I'd suggest that oozes, etc. can be controlled by one of Animal, Fungi, or Plant college spells, based on their origins. Alternately, whip up a college of "Slime Magic" which allows you to cast spells based on the nasty properties of fantasy slime monsters.
Perhaps it would be best to have the "Control Oozes" Spell into the Meta-Magic school. Those creatures are magic in nature and a bit aside from any such classifications. You could even say that they are just pure "magic emanations", and thus the Meta-Magic would be the one more fitting.
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Old 11-25-2022, 05:42 PM   #35
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I read it as more along the lines of the venus fly trap.
To bite a fly doesn't a VFT need an attack maneuver?
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Old 11-25-2022, 07:04 PM   #36
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To bite a fly doesn't a VFT need an attack maneuver?
No. It's a triggered effect and requires the same level of intelligence as a mouse trap.
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Old 11-26-2022, 01:59 AM   #37
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No. It's a triggered effect and requires the same level of intelligence as a mouse trap.
Right but if you were designing "items as characters" you still have some kind of mechanic for this.

Like as sword has "can be wielded". All I can think is treating a mousetrap like an Aura in terms of being able to inflict damage without using a maneuver.

That or where you have outside-maneuver attacks by Uncontrollable
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Old 11-26-2022, 03:29 AM   #38
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Right but if you were designing "items as characters" you still have some kind of mechanic for this.
Yes, you buy it with Delay (Triggered).
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Old 11-26-2022, 11:51 AM   #39
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Perhaps it would be best to have the "Control Oozes" Spell into the Meta-Magic school. Those creatures are magic in nature and a bit aside from any such classifications. You could even say that they are just pure "magic emanations", and thus the Meta-Magic would be the one more fitting.
I'd leave exact magical classification of Oozes up to the GM, but Animal or Plant College spells are the closest analogs for spells specifically designed to create or control them. Putting spells that affect magical monsters into the Meta-Spell category is a reasonable choice, however.
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Old 11-26-2022, 12:28 PM   #40
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Yes, you buy it with Delay (Triggered).
If you buy Innate Attack with any type of Delay don't you still need to use an attack maneuver to launch the attack first?
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