11-15-2022, 08:47 AM | #1 |
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Maximum Duration vs. Limited Use
Why is Limited Use worth so much less than Maximum Duration. If I take Limited Use 1/day I can use a continuous ability for 1 minute per day* (-40%). If I take Maximum Duration, 5 minutes, I can use it half the time (-50%). The second one seems more useful.
* from Basic Set, p. 112: "For most advantages, each "use" is 1 minute of activation."
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11-15-2022, 11:34 AM | #2 |
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Re: Maximum Duration vs. Limited Use
IMO, a 'use' for an ongoing trait (e.g. Flight) should be an hour, like it was in 3e
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11-15-2022, 11:40 AM | #3 |
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Re: Maximum Duration vs. Limited Use
That may be so, but it's not RAW and these limitation values are RAW.
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11-15-2022, 11:43 AM | #4 | |
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Re: Maximum Duration vs. Limited Use
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11-15-2022, 12:51 PM | #5 |
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Re: Maximum Duration vs. Limited Use
There are a lot of problems stemming from the "one use is one minute" feature of many Limitations, like Limited Use and Costs FP. I believe Maximum Duration is generally relatively fairly-priced when it comes to actual use cases, so modifying pre-existing Limitations like Limited Use and Costs FP to be more in line with Maximum Duration would probably be a good idea. Honestly, a revamping of that whole family of Limitations - Limited Use, Costs FP, Takes Recharge, Preparation Required (which has a built in "only one use can be ready at a time"), Maximum Duration, etc - would be welcome.
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11-16-2022, 01:02 AM | #6 | |
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Re: Maximum Duration vs. Limited Use
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11-16-2022, 03:19 AM | #7 | ||
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Re: Maximum Duration vs. Limited Use
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11-16-2022, 07:31 AM | #8 | ||
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Re: Maximum Duration vs. Limited Use
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Any time you see a duration of one minute, someone was thinking "plenty for one combat / skill challenge; long enough you don't need to track it during combat time; too short to last for long narrative sections". If the ability you're building isn't one that's meant to be used for something very like an attack, an instant burst of one-time effect (Climbing buff to get up a wall, burst of Obscure/Invis to ditch pursuit in a chase scene, etc), you probably don't want Limited Use. Max Duration does become a significant Limitation as it blocks use in those long narrative sequences. You can fly to the top of a building, maybe elsewhere in the city, but you can't fly across the continent, hover indefinitely in an aerial stakeout for a week, wander everywhere while Invisible to spy and thieve at will, etc. "Always On" enables a lot of narrative-scope plot-problem-bypassing behavior that you don't run into when you're only thinking in combat time. Quote:
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11-16-2022, 08:19 AM | #9 | |
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Re: Maximum Duration vs. Limited Use
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*Flight should drain FP comparably to Hiking (if traveling at up to 1/4th Top Speed), Jogging (if traveling at up to 1/2 Top Speed), or Sprinting (if traveling faster), so the character should take an hour rest after 6 hours of flight **Powers includes some Extra Effort rules that I know can temporarily add on Enhancements, and even if not stated should certainly be able to temporarily remove Limitations. So a flyer who finds himself or herself needing to fly during that required downtime may still be able to do so, via spending FP and making a Will roll.
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11-16-2022, 09:08 AM | #10 |
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Re: Maximum Duration vs. Limited Use
Another difference between Maximum Duration and Limited Uses is that you have to wait five minutes before trying to use again an ability that has Maximum Duration, whereas if an ability has Limited Uses: 9 per day, those nine uses could be used sequentially one right after another without delay.
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