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Not Noble to non noble Actually that's kind of the point, once you get rich enough you start measuring your self in pretty esoteric things, not the things the majority of people care about or deal with it might be football teams owned toady, who decorated your gun was one a few centuries ago (actually I've seen how much really nice shot guns go for, it still happens) Quote:
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07-02-2015, 09:36 AM | #32 | |
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Mostly 8 hours is more than enough, but more might actually be justified when upgrading from some really primitive locks. I can use both hands to hold the gun? And I don't *need* to close my eyes when firing to avoid being blinded? It's possible to aim? That's amazing....
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I can actually see cultural reasons {and things} that results in lord mucks continuing to favour wheellocks over flintlocks provided they don't have to perform in all noble regiments or such .
Receiving one might be an intrinsic part of a coming of age ritual . A degree of anachronism might pervade upper class society in the field of personal endeavors {yet they are thoroughly modern when it comes to money and politics} . Wheels {or pyrite} may hold some religious , mystical or if you're using it magical significance {which might grant a real benefit for certain users !} in there culture . If the barrels are made well enough and the users properly drilled in use and maintenance , such weapons {the barrels and to a lesser extent furniture at least} can last for a surprisingly long time . Even today in some remote parts of the world a rare few people still hunt with an original Brown Bess or Charleville musket because it works and is cheap to operate {and some folk are just plain obstinate} . Many of those guns could be quite old heirlooms - in one of Terry Pratchetts' Disk World stories relates how an ancient Dwarven heirloom axe isn't actually the original because over the centuries every single piece has been replaced several times ; maybe some guns are well on there way to that same place .
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07-02-2015, 06:19 PM | #36 |
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Nobles generally hunted boar with spears and not swords. Probably because they wanted the boar to die rather than them. They occaisionally shot their pistols at people in deadly earnest too.
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Sure spears get used by nobles when they're useful. When looking for something cool to wear though they'd opt for the sword though, not the spear.
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Digital watches are rather a different context to the watches I was talking about, I'm still talking about watches as objects of status at around the same time as wheel locks and flint locks. Watches at the time were prized for complexity and part of who that was shown was through extra functionality. Now you still have answered how that extra functionality can be shown with wheel locks. Saying wheel locks are clock work is a bit abstract to be meaningless. Its not particularly complex clock work so no real scope to have impressive workings in the context of complex clockwork workings. It actually juts a gun with a different trigger mechanism. An inherently simpler thing than a watch. One that was surpassed pretty quickly and had no scope to up it game with extra functionality It also not like we don't have real life to judge them by, if their inherent nature was seen as intrinsically valuable above their utility as guns they would have lasted a bit longer, and well they didn't Branding based on internal complexity still has to draw attention to it, and justify why it is a good thing. Branding also changed between the period we're talking about and modern times. Branding back them was based more of specific recommendation (e.g Gun makers to the king") branding now a days is based on wider range of values, (although celebrity endorsement is still a big one). It's also an interesting one because it actually deal with perception of value, functionality and quality, without necessarily having it. Quote:
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But TBH I don't actually get your point as the post I was responding to was talking about difference in mechanism costs. Also if nothing else you still get decoration because it will just become another vector to impress by (its just it will all be wheel locks), unless you having a society that inherently values the wheel lock and is not interested in decoration at all. |
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