Where to Find 'Miss by 1 hits' Rules?

[RobKamm]

Originally Posted by vierasmarius

On a related tangent, if you aim at the Vitals but miss by one, hitting the torso, would you then roll for the 1-in-6 chance of hitting the vitals anyways?

I would rule no. Because we already know that the vitals were missed (by one, but a miss). Besides, doing otherwise would be double-dipping.

[Captain Joy]

Originally Posted by vierasmarius

On a related tangent, if you aim at the Vitals but miss by one, hitting the torso, would you then roll for the 1-in-6 chance of hitting the vitals anyways?

If is was a player, and they thought to ask, I'd probably roll my eyes, shake my head disapprovingly, and then say "Go ahead." Then, when they accuse me of being stingy later, I can reference this act of benevolence. :)

Also, targeting the vitals is at a -3 compared to the torso. I'd be cool with a miss by 2 still hitting the torso, instead of just a miss by 1; the add-on, 1-in-6 (i.e. 12%) chance basically handles this.

[Crakkerjakk]

Originally Posted by RobKamm

I would rule no. Because we already know that the vitals were missed (by one, but a miss). Besides, doing otherwise would be double-dipping.

Agreed. If you missed the Vitals, that means you don't have a chance of randomly hitting it if you only missed by a little. Because you still missed the Vitals.

[Captain Joy]

Originally Posted by Crakkerjakk

Agreed. If you missed the Vitals, that means you don't have a chance of randomly hitting it if you only missed by a little. Because you still missed the Vitals.

This makes logical sense if the "miss" means your shot was inaccurate as opposed to imprecise. A miss by one can simply mean you didn't get your shot zeroed in as well as you'd have liked. Or, you were aiming for the heart, but hit a lung instead.

Most people aim for the center of mass of their target, i.e. the torso. Let's crunch some numbers:

Skil 10

Target   Torso Hit   Vitals Hit   Sum     Notes
------   ---------   ----------   -----   -----
Torso    41.7%       8.3%         50.0%   1 in 6 chance of hitting vitals 
Vitals    9.7%       16.2%        25.9%   on miss by 1 torso still hit
Vitals    8.1%       17.8%        25.9%   miss by 1 -- get 1 in 6 on vitals

Skil 15

arget   Torso Hit   Vitals Hit   Sum     Notes
------  ---------   ----------   -----   -----
Torso    79.5%      15.9%        95.4%   1 in 6 chance of hitting vitals 
Vitals    9.4%      74.1%        83.5%   on miss by 1 torso still hit
Vitals    7.8%      75.7%        83.5%   miss by 1 -- get 1 in 6 on vitals

Allowing the extra dice roll to hit the vitals on a miss by one amounts to a <2% bump. (The most it could ever be is 2.1%.) Also, since targeting the vitals makes you 24% less likely to hit anything at skill-10 level, I'm inclined to err on the side of giving the attacker a break.

[hal]

Originally Posted by Captain Joy

If is was a player, and they thought to ask, I'd probably roll my eyes, shake my head disapprovingly, and then say "Go ahead." Then, when they accuse me of being stingy later, I can reference this act of benevolence. :)

Also, targeting the vitals is at a -3 compared to the torso. I'd be cool with a miss by 2 still hitting the torso, instead of just a miss by 1; the add-on, 1-in-6 (i.e. 12%) chance basically handles this.

The real problem with such benevolence is...

What is good for the goose is good for the gander as they say. When an NPC does this to a player character, they can't claim "no fair! That's double dipping!" Talk about EVIL!

LOL