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Old 07-18-2018, 01:34 PM   #391
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So if there are multiple candidates still standing but none of them can hit the fireplace anymore, does it go to a runoff tomorrow night?
No then they start breaking the glasses over each other's heads to speed matters up.
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Old 07-18-2018, 04:53 PM   #392
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For what it is worth, with my comment I was thinking of the way the Senate and House were set up in the early 19th century.

But I'll shut up about it.
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Old 07-22-2018, 11:15 PM   #393
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The king is encouraged to have many, many children, by multiple women. These kids make up the nobility for the next generation, and one (chosen by whatever means out of the group) is the next king.

The other royal offspring are forbidden to reproduce, on rather nasty penalties for violation. This means that they cannot sire/give birth to their own heirs, their replacements will be the offspring of their sibling the current monarch. The only legal aristocrats in the system are thus 1rst generation royal offspring, there are no 'rival lines'.

This in practical terms probably means that the actual monarch has to be a male, but the other noble positions could be either sex, as long as the 'no kids' rule was applied to them.

So the Duke/Duchess of Wherever is the child of the previous king, but can have no kids of his/her own, the title will pass to a niece or nephew born from the current king.
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Old 07-23-2018, 01:29 AM   #394
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The king is encouraged to have many, many children, by multiple women. These kids make up the nobility for the next generation, and one (chosen by whatever means out of the group) is the next king.

The other royal offspring are forbidden to reproduce, on rather nasty penalties for violation. This means that they cannot sire/give birth to their own heirs, their replacements will be the offspring of their sibling the current monarch. The only legal aristocrats in the system are thus 1rst generation royal offspring, there are no 'rival lines'.

This in practical terms probably means that the actual monarch has to be a male, but the other noble positions could be either sex, as long as the 'no kids' rule was applied to them.

So the Duke/Duchess of Wherever is the child of the previous king, but can have no kids of his/her own, the title will pass to a niece or nephew born from the current king.
Kinda sorta like the system in the Empire of Tsolyanu on Tekemel, setting of the RPG Empire of the Petal Throne et al.

Children of the Emperor are adopted out to prominent clans or temples. They are raised as the adopters see fit, often in ignorance of their parentage. When the Emperor dies, all the heirs must either "Renounce the Gold" giving up all rights to the throne, or compete in a multi-stage contest with the other heirs. Winner becomes Emperor. Losers get sacrificed to the gods.

The theory is that you get shrewd and capable rulers that way, and you don't get lazy heirs because they can never be sure there isn't a secret heir out there that is better than them.
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Old 07-23-2018, 01:41 AM   #395
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The king is encouraged to have many, many children, by multiple women. These kids make up the nobility for the next generation, and one (chosen by whatever means out of the group) is the next king.

The other royal offspring are forbidden to reproduce, on rather nasty penalties for violation. This means that they cannot sire/give birth to their own heirs, their replacements will be the offspring of their sibling the current monarch. The only legal aristocrats in the system are thus 1rst generation royal offspring, there are no 'rival lines'.

This in practical terms probably means that the actual monarch has to be a male, but the other noble positions could be either sex, as long as the 'no kids' rule was applied to them.

So the Duke/Duchess of Wherever is the child of the previous king, but can have no kids of his/her own, the title will pass to a niece or nephew born from the current king.
Are there restrictions on who the king's mistresses can be? The other nobles are his siblings or half-siblings, but that may not stop royalty. Are there lesser nobility or gentry? Rich commoners? What about foreign nobility?

Are the children of the current king raised by the nobility, so the Duchess has a nephew to raise as her presumed heir (unless he becomes king)? Or does the Duchess not know who her heir is until after the new king is chosen and the rest assigned out to the nobility?

When the king dies, does his sister the Duchess lose her title, or does she keep it for life?

Does this mean that all the royal children are forbidden to have children while their father the king is alive?

One feature of this is it keeps the nobility from getting too large, as was a problem in pre-revolutionary France.
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Old 07-23-2018, 08:35 AM   #396
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The king is encouraged to have many, many children, by multiple women. These kids make up the nobility for the next generation, and one (chosen by whatever means out of the group) is the next king.

The other royal offspring are forbidden to reproduce, on rather nasty penalties for violation. This means that they cannot sire/give birth to their own heirs, their replacements will be the offspring of their sibling the current monarch. The only legal aristocrats in the system are thus 1rst generation royal offspring, there are no 'rival lines'.

This in practical terms probably means that the actual monarch has to be a male, but the other noble positions could be either sex, as long as the 'no kids' rule was applied to them.

So the Duke/Duchess of Wherever is the child of the previous king, but can have no kids of his/her own, the title will pass to a niece or nephew born from the current king.
It could mean the monarch absolutely has to be female. You can after all prove that the queen had given birth to a child.

I would question the practicality of forcing celibacy on all the princes. Bastardry is enough of a trouble in the European feudal system but at least a given noble can show some modicum of self-control. On the other hand clerical governments do exist. It would probably need to exist in the future where medical technology makes certain things easier.

One of the main uses of polygamy is to make sure the monarch is allied to the chief families in his realm. This can happen. In fact spare princes/princesses can be given to other tribes and change their surname to allow them to marry.
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Old 07-23-2018, 08:36 AM   #397
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The other royal offspring are forbidden to reproduce, on rather nasty penalties for violation. This means that they cannot sire/give birth to their own heirs, their replacements will be the offspring of their sibling the current monarch.
Congratulations, you've enlisted the driving force of the entire evolutionary history of life in the service of motivating these lesser nobles to rebel and declare themselves independent monarchs.

At best these people don't have much reason to care about the long term future of their areas of responsibility, which tosses out one of the few advantages of aristocratic governments.
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Old 07-23-2018, 10:31 AM   #398
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Congratulations, you've enlisted the driving force of the entire evolutionary history of life in the service of motivating these lesser nobles to rebel and declare themselves independent monarchs.

At best these people don't have much reason to care about the long term future of their areas of responsibility, which tosses out one of the few advantages of aristocratic governments.
Practicality was not one of the requirements.

As a point of fact what would probably happen is that there would grow up a class of "supposedly-not-nobles" like Astors, and Dulleses and Forbes' and Hoquas who were allowed to be in-trade or could otherwise take advantage of loopholes. People without a patent who lived like princes, and more importantly founded dynasties.
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Old 07-23-2018, 10:57 AM   #399
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Congratulations, you've enlisted the driving force of the entire evolutionary history of life in the service of motivating these lesser nobles to rebel and declare themselves independent monarchs.

At best these people don't have much reason to care about the long term future of their areas of responsibility, which tosses out one of the few advantages of aristocratic governments.
Oh, I agree it wouldn't be stable, but as Jason noted that's not an OP requirement. It's definitely 'exotic', though, by our standards.
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Old 07-23-2018, 03:16 PM   #400
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Oh, I agree it wouldn't be stable, but as Jason noted that's not an OP requirement. It's definitely 'exotic', though, by our standards.
Chinese surnames can get a cachet from being related to an Imperial concubine so that has vague similarity.
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