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07-12-2022, 05:08 PM | #1 | |
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Midville Drone Ambush scenario
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What rules were you using for the drone's sensors? Or was it a subjective call by the GM? Seems like the battle began and ended when the GM let you spoof the drone's sensors to that degree. Drone player should definitely have studied those rules harder and made sure his tactics failed gracefully in the even his sensors betrayed him. |
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07-13-2022, 02:03 AM | #2 |
Join Date: Jun 2008
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Re: Midville Drone Ambush scenario
With infantry in later rule sets it is very easy to invert the CW rules as the basic premise of the game is predicated that infantry need to be fairly ineffective. In the original game (1985 and earlier) very few pedestrian weapons could even scratch a car and the few that could were woefully inaccurate or hideously expensive (and the two tripod recoilless only had 3 shots).
The best AV weapon was arguably the SMG and that could do a maximum of 3 points per firing action so with 10 pedestrians with equipment costing $3700 you could reliably breach the side armour off most of the stock vehicles in a few turns (since most had 20 points or less). The only car approaching that price was the Killer Cart and a lucky pedestrian could breach that with a single burst. With AV rifles and the like several pedestrians are usually better than an equally costed car. It is inevitable as the majority of the cost of the car is getting the weapons into the fight, with a pedestrian the majority of the cost is the weapon itself. Infantry in ambush can knock out a car before it can respond effectively. The more expensive the car, the more cheap infantry you can field. Every one of them gets a firing action each turn, the vehicle will probably get two. Pedestrians are vulnerable to burst effects, but that is easily mitigated. They are hard to hit and when braced they can easily hit the much larger vehicle even with it's speed modifiers. That is probably why we don't tend to have normal cars with guns attached in real-world militaries (technicals are usually improvised by militias). Real-world doctrine is that even tanks don't go into urban areas without infantry support. The best tactic for a car that encounters emplaced pedestrians is to "get the hell out of dodge". It subverts the scenario, but the scenario isn't a fair one in the first place. The only defendable measure of victory is if you play the scenario twice and each player has a turn playing the pedestrians. Then you can see who destroyed the car with the least loss of life (or expended ammo if it turns out the car failed to kill anyone at all). Basically it is one of those cases where the car can't really win, but the pedestrians can lose if they are deployed badly. Simply hiding spread out in rubble (which is hardly sophisticated) is probably good enough. |
07-13-2022, 02:38 PM | #3 | |
Join Date: Dec 2007
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Re: Midville Drone Ambush scenario
[QUOTE=HeatDeath;2442807]Interesting battle. This definitely highlights the difference between 4e's nature as an RPG [Gamemaster definitely /not/ optional] vs. 6e's lesser ambition as "merely" a supremely well-balanced wargame. Hidden information can be fun, but it's not really in the cards with 6e atm. I actually appreciate that - keeping all the information public makes soloing the game both possible and fun.[.quote]
"Hidden info" can be done in 6E -- it's a simple matter of "if it's behind something reasonably solid, it cannot be seen". This is where "what is a light obstacle, and what is a heavy obstacle" becomes an issue.... :) _CW Tanks_. The drones had radar, IRSS, and other-such sensors. Those were useful, but could only tell the drone player so much -- radar says "there's something big over there"; IR says "there's heat signatures inside"; there's *nothing* to tell him "the floor will not support the weight of a car". Quote:
But: Yes, that battle was over before it ever began -- like most battles in history. Just not for the reason you mention. :)
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07-14-2022, 02:56 AM | #4 |
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Re: Midville Drone Ambush scenario
For those like me who are confused by the open ended references this thread has been transplanted out of context from the 6th Edition forum.
http://forums.sjgames.com/showthread.php?t=183148 NOW it makes sense :) Last edited by swordtart; 07-14-2022 at 03:02 AM. |
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