[Powers] Use Extra Effort Without a Will Roll

[JCurwen3]

Is there a fair / balanced value to be able to use Extra Effort without a Will roll (alternatively, we can describe it as automatically succeeding at the Will roll)? I mean, you'd still have to spend the FP, so it still comes with a cost.

A player suggested this as a concept for their character - they have been genetically modified so that the normal mental, emotional, and physiological controls that prevent someone from burning themselves out quickly when they need to exert themselves have been removed.

[NineDaysDead]

Originally Posted by JCurwen3

Is there a fair / balanced value to be able to use Extra Effort without a Will roll (alternatively, we can describe it as automatically succeeding at the Will roll)? I mean, you'd still have to spend the FP, so it still comes with a cost.

A player suggested this as a concept for their character - they have been genetically modified so that the normal mental, emotional, and physiological controls that prevent someone from burning themselves out quickly when they need to exert themselves have been removed.

Immunity to will rolls for Extra Effort? Though you need to say that you couldn't take more penalties than would reduce your will below 3.

[Christopher R. Rice]

Originally Posted by JCurwen3

Is there a fair / balanced value to be able to use Extra Effort without a Will roll (alternatively, we can describe it as automatically succeeding at the Will roll)? I mean, you'd still have to spend the FP, so it still comes with a cost.

A player suggested this as a concept for their character - they have been genetically modified so that the normal mental, emotional, and physiological controls that prevent someone from burning themselves out quickly when they need to exert themselves have been removed.

Hmmm. What about adding "Cosmic, no Will roll required for Extra Effort, +100%" added directly to Will? It might even need to be +300% because that's just game-breaking. That plus a ton of FP or ER means you have a character who can effectively double any attribute or ability as often as he can regain FP/ER. Assuming a FP of 10 that means you you could increase [Foo] by 50% every hour. If your FP goes to 15 you could double it every hour. Add in Fit (for mundane extra effort), Breath Control, Recover Energy, and so on and it is even faster...

[roguebfl]

Make them by Strong will till 16 with accessibility (only extra effort) then make them take the perk(s) "No Nuisance roll (extra effort)"

[vicky_molokh]

Not a way to eliminate the roll, but here are some bits that might interest the player in question:
http://forums.sjgames.com/showthread.php?t=42014

Particularly this post.

[David Johnston2]

Originally Posted by JCurwen3

Is there a fair / balanced value to be able to use Extra Effort without a Will roll (alternatively, we can describe it as automatically succeeding at the Will roll)? I mean, you'd still have to spend the FP, so it still comes with a cost.

A player suggested this as a concept for their character - they have been genetically modified so that the normal mental, emotional, and physiological controls that prevent someone from burning themselves out quickly when they need to exert themselves have been removed.

Quirk: Never Uses Extra Effort.

Plus some Extra ST bought with "Costs Fatigue"

[PK]

Originally Posted by David Johnston2

Quirk: Never Uses Extra Effort.

Plus some Extra ST bought with "Costs Fatigue"

What he said.

If you remove the roll, then all you're really doing is allowing the character to use higher levels of his power by spending FP. So just buy higher levels of the power with Costs Fatigue.

[Mr_Sandman]

If you payed for a very high Will and Ridiculous Luck (extra-effort only), I would feel perfectly comfortable as a GM not making you go through the bother of Will rolls for extra effort.

[DangerousThing]

Originally Posted by Mr_Sandman

If you payed for a very high Will and Ridiculous Luck (extra-effort only), I would feel perfectly comfortable as a GM not making you go through the bother of Will rolls for extra effort.

I see where you're going, but I think that the luck is overly expensive for what you want and many of the other suggestions on the other thread cost less and work better.

That being said, I would (as GM) feel free to ignore the will roll if the character had high will and this was out of combat.

[Mr_Sandman]

Originally Posted by DangerousThing

I see where you're going, but I think that the luck is overly expensive for what you want and many of the other suggestions on the other thread cost less and work better.

That being said, I would (as GM) feel free to ignore the will roll if the character had high will and this was out of combat.

True, I wasn't intending it as point optimization, just another option. The No Nuisance Rolls perk with 16 Will, or extra ST bought with Uses Fatigue are probably better ways to go.