Falling from the 10th floor is not as bad as seems...

[gilbertocarlos]

After reading collisions and falls, i think how it is easy in real life and hard in GURPS to die from a 30 meters(33y) fall, now the math:
30/0,914=32,9
30m=33y(to simplify)
21,4*1*33=706
The squared number is 26,6 and we go up to 27

Joe Average(HP and HT 10) is going to jump from 30m, when he reach the ground, he will be at 27y/s, so 27*10/100=2,7*2 for hard surface, 5,4, or 5d+2 damage from a fall

Joe Average have:
0,27% chance that he will stay at 1+HP, maybe stunned for a couple of seconds and go himself to hospital
49,73% chance that he will fall unconscious(maybe having some seconds of consciousness), anyway, probably he will awake in a couple of hours and go to hospital
12,49% chance that he will stay alive after HT rolls, and after 12h he will awake and go to the hospital
12,49% chance that he will stay alive after HT rolls, but unconscious, and in a couple of days he will be dead(if not saved before)
12,03% chance that he will be mortally wounded, needing medical assistance in less than a hour or he will die
12,99% chance that he will be dead

Best Case Scenario:
62,49% chance that he will be fine, but go to the hospital to have medical assistance
24,52% chance that an ambulance need to go to where he are, and take him to the hospital
12,99% chance of death
With results in 87,01% of chance to stay alive

Worst Case Scenario:
62,49% chance that he will be awaken, and need some weeks to recover of the fall
24,52% chance that the ambulance will not come and he die after that
12,99% chance of death right in the fall
With Results in 62,49% chance of stay alive

What do all you think about this? i think that these rules need to be reformulated, the risk of die from a 30m fall(10th floor) is much bigger than GURPS suggests

[David Johnston2]

If you are going to be that realistic, you need to use hit locations and bleeding rules for a start.

[Ragitsu]

Originally Posted by David Johnston2

If you are going to be that realistic, you need to use hit locations and bleeding rules for a start.

At what skill level does the ground have Brawling?

[Polydamas]

Hi Gilberto,

The optional bleeding rules would make the person who fell less likely to survive. Rolling at HT-3 to HT-5 every minute to avoid losing 1 HP, he's probably going to bleed to death unless he gets first aid very quickly. I might give a penalty to First Aid rolls to stop the bleeding, because the injury is very serious.

There are also optional rules for falls to damage a random hit location instead of the whole body. In this case, the fall might damage the Skull or Neck and do more damage.

[Ulzgoroth]

You definitely ought to be rolling random hit location.

If he takes the fall on the head or neck, he's much more likely to die. If he lands on a limb, he'll pulverize it and possibly its counterpart.

Also, bleeding. Internal bleeding.

Ninja'd...

Originally Posted by Ragitsu

At what skill level does the ground have Brawling?

The ground hits random locations, of course.

[Ragitsu]

Originally Posted by Ulzgoroth

Ninja'd...

The ground hits random locations, of course.

It seems like it should be able to damage multiple locations at once in certain circumstances, as well.

[Ulzgoroth]

Originally Posted by Ragitsu

It seems like it should be able to damage multiple locations at once in certain circumstances, as well.

Addressed pretty well on B431, I think you'll find.

[gilbertocarlos]

Originally Posted by David Johnston2

If you are going to be that realistic, you need to use hit locations and bleeding rules for a start.

Originally Posted by Polydamas

Hi Gilberto,

The optional bleeding rules would make the person who fell less likely to survive. Rolling at HT-3 to HT-5 every minute to avoid losing 1 HP, he's probably going to bleed to death unless he gets first aid very quickly. I might give a penalty to First Aid rolls to stop the bleeding, because the injury is very serious.

There are also optional rules for falls to damage a random hit location instead of the whole body. In this case, the fall might damage the Skull or Neck and do more damage.

Originally Posted by Ulzgoroth

You definitely ought to be rolling random hit location.

If he takes the fall on the head or neck, he's much more likely to die. If he lands on a limb, he'll pulverize it and possibly its counterpart.

Also, bleeding. Internal bleeding.

Well, i don't thinked at radom locations first, but i think that it isn't so hard to someone to take the legs first in a fall, the only change in the table will be that he will be with the legs crippled...
If random locations need to be rolled, then, I will need to change the table again...
About bleeding, GURPS campaigns don't say much about what bleed and what not, just says that if it is crushing, usually don't bleed, if it is cutting/crushing, usually bleed

[Edit]well, i saw now the random hit location table, Skull, Face and neck, together, have less than 6,5% of chance being hit, all the others are torso, extremities and the groin, who don't have damage multiplier[/Edit]

[David Johnston2]

Originally Posted by Ragitsu

At what skill level does the ground have Brawling?

Infinite. It never misses.

[Captain Joy]

30 m is more like 8 floors, I think. http://www.skyscrapercity.com/archiv.../t-250359.html. Also, allow for internal bleeding [B420] and how difficult it would be to stop (Internal Bleeding, Internal Injuries thread) and my guess is you my find a 30m fall a lot more deadly.

I'm comfortable with a person taking a few minutes to die from a fall out of an 8th story window. If you recalculate the situation using the optional bleeding rules, you'll have at least one interested reader.