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Old 07-15-2019, 01:54 AM   #1
Lord Twig
 
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Default Handing out Magic Items

I have a group that is experienced enough that I want to start introducing magic items in their treasure (besides just potions). Or more likely, magic items being used by their opponents that they can loot off their bodies. The question is, what to give them?

Weapons with +1 to Dx or damage is pretty obvious, and armor and/or shields that absorbs an extra hit. Power stones for Wizards. But what is something more interesting but still not too powerful? I am looking at a Blur ring, which is pretty cheap (relatively speaking, at $3,000) but really seems super effective. So what items do you usually give out, or receive first? What comes later?
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Old 07-15-2019, 02:52 AM   #2
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I have a group that is experienced enough that I want to start introducing magic items in their treasure (besides just potions). Or more likely, magic items being used by their opponents that they can loot off their bodies. The question is, what to give them?

Weapons with +1 to Dx or damage is pretty obvious, and armor and/or shields that absorbs an extra hit. Power stones for Wizards. But what is something more interesting but still not too powerful? I am looking at a Blur ring, which is pretty cheap (relatively speaking, at $3,000) but really seems super effective. So what items do you usually give out, or receive first? What comes later?
I think before you hand them out, consider whether it will affect the games you will be playing in a good or bad way. If you hand out a blur ring at beginning levels it will make the character almost impossible to hit as most opponents will have DX12 or less. At medium levels, where opponents DX is often higher, items like blur rings will be more appropriate, even necessary.

Self powered items that are always "on" are particularly powerful. Stone or iron flesh, combined with armour, can make a character virtually invulnerable and can change the game in ways you might not like.

Items that give the ability to create a spell effect, like an Avert ring, are perhaps a better choice. They're not always on, and cost ST to use, so you have to consider whether to use them or not.
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Old 07-15-2019, 04:22 AM   #3
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I have a group that is experienced enough that I want to start introducing magic items in their treasure (besides just potions). Or more likely, magic items being used by their opponents that they can loot off their bodies. The question is, what to give them?

Weapons with +1 to Dx or damage is pretty obvious, and armor and/or shields that absorbs an extra hit. Power stones for Wizards. But what is something more interesting but still not too powerful? I am looking at a Blur ring, which is pretty cheap (relatively speaking, at $3,000) but really seems super effective. So what items do you usually give out, or receive first? What comes later?
Don't forget 'fine' weapons!

Blur rings cost st to use, so a frontliner using one is still suffering 'damage' while engaged. Something to bear in mind.
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Old 07-15-2019, 06:37 AM   #4
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Don't forget 'fine' weapons!

Blur rings cost st to use, so a frontliner using one is still suffering 'damage' while engaged. Something to bear in mind.
Actually, in ITL p156 under the list of Lesser Magic Items, Blur does not require ST to use.
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Old 07-15-2019, 06:46 AM   #5
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Actually, in ITL p156 under the list of Lesser Magic Items, Blur does not require ST to use.
Where do you see that? All I see is a description of what Blur does. you would still have to make it self-powered to make it free as far as I understand it.
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Old 07-15-2019, 08:10 AM   #6
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Where do you see that? All I see is a description of what Blur does. you would still have to make it self-powered to make it free as far as I understand it.
What I see is that, under the item description, no ST cost is listed. I interpret that to mean that when the item is put on, the wearer has a blur effect at no ST cost. You may interpret it differently.
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Old 07-15-2019, 09:07 AM   #7
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What I see is that, under the item description, no ST cost is listed. I interpret that to mean that when the item is put on, the wearer has a blur effect at no ST cost. You may interpret it differently.
That is fascinating. I'll have to double-check my original version, but I'm almost 100% sure that in the original version of Advanced Wizard, enchanting an item gives the wearer the ability to cast the spell, not the effect - which is why self-powered items were so expensive and useful.

But yes, reading Legacy Edition, your interpretation makes sense.
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Old 07-15-2019, 09:17 AM   #8
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That is fascinating. I'll have to double-check my original version, but I'm almost 100% sure that in the original version of Advanced Wizard, enchanting an item gives the wearer the ability to cast the spell, not the effect - which is why self-powered items were so expensive and useful.

But yes, reading Legacy Edition, your interpretation makes sense.
The description in AW is the same. Still, some item descriptions specifically mention a ST cost and some say No ST Cost, whereas Blur says neither.
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Old 07-15-2019, 01:16 PM   #9
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Thanks everyone! This is exactly the kind of information I am looking for. Like I mentioned in my first post, the blur ring seemed like a really neat item, but seemed too effective for its cost. I might go through the item creation rules a bit more to see if it is priced correctly or should cost ST to use.

So fine or +1 weapons and armor are great, and only a minor buff that can be handled, but are there any other more interesting items to hand out? I'll start looking at items that cost ST to use as well, as they have a built in limiter.
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Old 07-15-2019, 06:32 PM   #10
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Thanks everyone! This is exactly the kind of information I am looking for. Like I mentioned in my first post, the blur ring seemed like a really neat item, but seemed too effective for its cost. I might go through the item creation rules a bit more to see if it is priced correctly or should cost ST to use.

So fine or +1 weapons and armor are great, and only a minor buff that can be handled, but are there any other more interesting items to hand out? I'll start looking at items that cost ST to use as well, as they have a built in limiter.
Early in the campaign, "limited use" items are the best (in my opinion, of course). Potions, scrolls, charged items of all sorts. I've even used things like a sword that could gain a +1 damage bonus, but it only had 10 charges, and each charge lasted 12 turns. Then, you have a nice, normal sword.

Gems of Summoning Scout - low powered, useful, but not overpowering.

Bandages that double a physiker's healing - pretty powerful, but one-use only, and require a physiker to use.

Map that shows your path - no terrain/walls, just direction and distance. Awesome to keep you from getting lost, but can't be erased, so one-use only.

Caltrops that cast Shadow on the hex they land.

Swords or armor protected against red slime attacks, or other rust-based events.

Potions that cast Blur/Avert/Spell Shield on the user. 12 turns protection. And an alchemist might pay a pretty penny if the formula could be found.
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