04-16-2013, 12:12 AM | #31 | |
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As iconic as they are, I rate shotguns very low on the list of weapons for such a situation. In fact, they'd probably be the least-ideal, barring weapons such as single-shot muzzle-loaders. Maybe if the fastest-firing weapon you had is a bolt-action and you're expecting an indoor encounter, but even that's not much of a lead. |
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04-16-2013, 02:30 AM | #32 |
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Re: [HT] Small Calibre firepower
Which is a bit unrealistic and many house-rule so all multipliers and divisors apply . A 12 gauge solid to the heart or brain should do more damage than a .223 etc .
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04-16-2013, 06:20 AM | #33 | |
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In other news, ANY new gun control law passed in the US that touches shotguns will ban this puppy in before you can say 'clay pigeon'... because it's cool.
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04-16-2013, 07:03 AM | #34 | |
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When you're constantly trying to compensate for a -7 to hit the Skull (which is still a -3 even with maxed out TA) plusses to hit are nice. It would also be useful for when zombies stick limbs through doors that are trying to close and similar situations. A machete or axe might (or might not) sever the limb but the shotgun would break all the bones. Good for when the zombies have Independent Body Parts too.
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04-16-2013, 12:33 PM | #35 | |
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But really, I'd rather go for a light semi-auto, which also have the higher accuracy, as well as much higher ammo capacity, quicker re-fire rate, and even lighter ammo. Shotguns rank as an emergency backup weapon in such a situation, to me, where they compete with pistols. Unfortunately for shotguns, pistols are significantly lighter and more compact (Useful stats for an emergency backup weapon), carry more ammo, have much lighter ammo, and are much quicker to reload. Their lack of accuracy is their only significant downside in comparison, but a miss with a pistol is less punishing than a miss with a shotgun. |
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04-16-2013, 02:25 PM | #36 |
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How common is this house rule? I can go either way on this. I actually think a bullet to the heart is a bullet to the heart, and size is perhaps less important than overall penetration/energy (represented by the dice). Thus, I think the x3 is fair regardless of projectile size.
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04-16-2013, 02:31 PM | #37 |
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04-16-2013, 02:46 PM | #38 | |
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Wounds to other parts of the heart are still quite likely to be eventually fatal but that's the bleeding rules. You want to drop someone faster than bleeding out will explain you need to interrupt the flow of oxygenated blood to the brain. This of course is an unplayable level of complexity but just because something is simpler doesn't mean it's right. Bigger holes are worse than smaller holes and there's no real way around that. Small caliber bullets embedded in the brain are actually somewhat survivable. Even though fatalities still outnumber survivals there are a significant number of persons who have survived such wounds. P++ not so much.
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04-16-2013, 02:54 PM | #39 | |
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This probably breaks down once you get to particularly high-energy attacks that spend so little of that energy inside the body before exiting, but those are already dealing so much damage that it's kind of academic. The blowthrough rules already take care of some of that, anyway. So yeah, while some people use that houserule, I don't. With the limited options we have (Short of making an even more complex system), I think what we have is probably the closest to realistic in the broadest number of situations. This is again likely down to energy, not the size of piercing. Pi++ weapons tend to be high base-damage, which are of course going to make them nasty on brain hits. Most of the small-caliber bullets failing to kill after penetrating the brain are low-energy projectiles like .22LR, and even those tend to be quite deadly. Slightly different topic, but I should probably note that there are also examples of pi++ weapons (Such as .45 HP) glancing off the skull because they didn't penetrate, while much smaller and more energetic but pi (no-plus) would have pretty much emptied out the skull. |
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04-16-2013, 03:08 PM | #40 |
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