Mauser Gew43/Kar43 stats?

[DippyTTO]

Has anybody bothered to stat out the Mauser Gewehr 43 semiautomatic rifle? I was hoping it woulda be in High Tech, but to no avail.

[Fred Brackin]

Originally Posted by DippyTTO

Has anybody bothered to stat out the Mauser Gewehr 43 semiautomatic rifle? I was hoping it woulda be in High Tech, but to no avail.

There's nothing by that specific nomenclature but check out the text on the Haenel on p.115. There's a "MP43" that's simply a minor variant of the main item.

If that's not it then if some other gun using the same cartridge is statted out all that will vary are things that actually are specific to the gun such as weight, ROF and possibly Bulk.

Stats like Damage and ranges go with the cartridge and not the gun.

[DippyTTO]

Thank you, Fred. I will keep that in mind.

[Imion]

Working from the stats in GURPS WWII and applying the power of rule of thumb and comparing other WWII-era weapons both in GURPS WWII and GURPS High-Tech, i came up with the following conversion:

Weapon                Damage  Acc  Range        Weight    RoF  Shots    ST   Bulk  Rcl
Gewehr 43, 7.92x57mm  7d pi   5    1,000/4,300  10.3/0.6  3    10+1(3)  10†  -5    3

More knowledgeable persons may feel free to correct me, but I think this should do.

[Landwalker]

Originally Posted by Imion

Working from the stats in GURPS WWII and applying the power of rule of thumb and comparing other WWII-era weapons both in GURPS WWII and GURPS High-Tech, i came up with the following conversion:

Weapon                Damage  Acc  Range        Weight    RoF  Shots    ST   Bulk  Rcl
Gewehr 43, 7.92x57mm  7d pi   5    1,000/4,300  10.3/0.6  3    10+1(3)  10†  -5    3

More knowledgeable persons may feel free to correct me, but I think this should do.

I did pretty much the same thing when I was planning a "Jagged Alliance in 1950" game and trying to throw together as vast an equipment list as I possibly could. I came up with something pretty similar (this is for the Gew43, not the Kar43):

Weapon                               Damage   Acc   Range         Weight    Rof    Shots    ST    Bulk  Rcl
Mauser Gewehr 43, 7.92×57mm Mauser   7d pi     5    1,100/4,600   10.3/0.6   3     10+1(3)  10†    -5    4

Only differences are in range and recoil. And if your PCs are shooting a Gew43 over 4,300 yards, well, more power to them. I took the range and recoil straight off the Gew98 line in High-Tech, but it was pretty much an eye-balling / judgment call on my part rather than any actual knowledge of what I was doing.

[Imion]

Originally Posted by Landwalker

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I took the range and recoil straight off the Gew98 line in High-Tech, but it was pretty much an eye-balling / judgment call on my part rather than any actual knowledge of what I was doing.

Well keep in mind that the stats in GURPS WWII are for the Karabiner 98 Kurz, not the Gewehr 98. So you should work from the adjusted stats which you can find in the text on page 111 of GURPS High-Tech, not in the table.

The reason I chose Rcl 3 was that the Gewehr 43 ist heavier than the K98k.

Also the Gewehr 43 actually is the Karabiner 43, only the name was changed in 1944.

[HANS]

The official stats would look something like this:

Weapon                               Damage   Acc   Range         Weight    RoF    Shots    ST    Bulk  Rcl
Walther Gew43/K43, 7.92×57mm Mauser   7d-1 pi     5    1,100/4,400   9.9/1.1   3     10+1(3)  10†    -5    3

Cheers

HANS

[Landwalker]

Originally Posted by Imion

Well keep in mind that the stats in GURPS WWII are for the Karabiner 98 Kurz, not the Gewehr 98. So you should work from the adjusted stats which you can find in the text on page 111 of GURPS High-Tech, not in the table.

The reason I chose Rcl 3 was that the Gewehr 43 ist heavier than the K98k.

Also the Gewehr 43 actually is the Karabiner 43, only the name was changed in 1944.

Ah, I see what you're saying about the WWII book stats, which makes sense to me. So I'd probably use the Kar98k ranges after all (1,000/4,300). I can see it going either way on the recoil (the Gew98 has Rcl 4 as well, but weighs half a pound less than the Gew43 when both are empty... unless you're using a WWI-era clip-charged Gew98, which weighs slightly more empty than the Gew43). I'd say use whatever makes you comfortable... I like 4, but I consciously tend to err on the side of "making life more difficult."


Edit: Aaaaand nevermind! But how did you work up those stats, HANS?