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Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Hamilton, Ont. CANADA
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This base is a refueling station for vehicles travelling to, from, on and over Mars. It was built on a frozen underground aquafer which is mined for ice to be melted (water itself is precious here) and refined into LOH fuel (for rockets and fuel cells) and pure hydrogen for use as reaction mass, lifting gas and feedstock for producing methane (also used as reaction mass). It also sells surplus food from its domed greenhouse and hydroponics bay and serves as a trading post, clinic and government center for other settlers on the red planet.
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Join Date: Feb 2016
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Deimos and Phobos are the natural sites for such a well. They have a good delta-v compared to other sources of ice (including Mars), and they may be 20% ice. Lifting gases are unlikely to matter on Mars until you get a Thin atmosphere, and you might as well use water if you are using methane. By avoiding the delta-v associated with landing on Mars, you also end up saving a lot of time and money.
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Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Hamilton, Ont. CANADA
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I was thinking more in terms of a "Domed Mars" type setting (Chapter 4 of GURPS Classic: Mars) as the core of a small Martian community, but the idea of a "grounded" space station on Phobos or Deimos has some merit (although I hadn't heard of them having that much ice). As for hydrogen as a lifting gas, it could be useful sooner than you think.
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Dalton “who may have an inflated opinion of himself” Spence
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Join Date: Feb 2016
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Since the volumetric lifting power of hydrogen increases proportionally with the density of the atmosphere, the denser the atmosphere the better the lifting power.
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Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Hamilton, Ont. CANADA
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And the density of a gas at given temperature and pressure is dependent on its molecular weight. Since temperature and pressure are the same both inside and out of an unheated balloon only the difference in mean molecular weights matters when calculating lift.
Dalton “see my "Homebrew: Expanding on Gasbags" thread for details” Spence
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Join Date: Feb 2016
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That is lifting power by mass. Lifting power by volume depends on the density of the atmosphere. A cubic meter of hydrogen has a lot more lift on Earth than on Mars.
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Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Hamilton, Ont. CANADA
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Yes, by volume this may be true (see my quote from GURPS Mars above) but I expect hydrogen would be sold by mass, not volume. It's up to the user to have a gasbag big enough to provide the necessary lift.
Dalton “who decided not to make a political comment” Spence
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Join Date: Aug 2007
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Refueling stations for hard science space ships make the most sense at actual destinations. Perhaps if there were a beanstalk at Deimos you could ride down to the Martian surface the numbers would crunch the right way.
Otherwise, if you're going to Mars, go there directly and refuel after you get there. You might ship fuel to the asteroids from the moons of Mars rather than the planet itself. It'd depend on how high the start-up and manintence costs were.
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Join Date: Jan 2014
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Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Cambridge, UK
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Err, no. This is the classical mistake when comparing space travel to sea travel. To land on a rock and pick up fuel, your craft has to burn fuel to slow down, and then to speed back up again. This usually ends up wasting time on the journey as compared to coasting the whole way.
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