[IW]Project Valkyrie

[Captain-Captain]

I wouldn't use nukes with parachronatic tech available however.

1) go to unihabited solar system or some low tech earch where no one will notice you are working in the asteroid betl.

2) Build a conveyor big enough to contain an asteroid.

3) Repeat step two as desired.

4) Transport the asteroid(s) to Reich 5's universe AND location, making no effort to adjust the asteroid's momentum. Position entry points so that the asteroidal impact(s) is maximized and the ground zero on Reich 5 is ecologically critical.

5) Wave b'uh bye.

[Nosforontu]

Originally Posted by Ed the Coastie

Or send a disposable probe to the Grey Goo parallel, scoop up some of it, and then have it transport to Reich 5 before the Goo can eat through the probe. A couple years later...no more Reich 5.

On the other hand that might create an even greater danger though, as it does two things it encourages Reich 5 to figure out to get off world quickly and hands them a potentially powerful weapon to boot.

Additionally of course you have the problem of setting the precedent of destroying a world and its population centers because you view it as a threat, and you are doing so without ever making any kind of formal declaration of hostilities against that world.

This could have a host of unsettling possibilities play out as a result. The first being that Centurumn may feel particularly threatened by a fellow crossworld nation state that is destroying worlds, and go from a shadow world with homeline to a hot war designed to push home line even further away from centurumn.

Additionally their remains the possibility that Reich 5 is being monitored by yet another Nazi parallel or world with its own panachronic technology. If thats the case its destruction by overt means could could invite a third power to take more overt actions as well.

[LoneWolf23k]

Originally Posted by daryen

Actually, why not nuke Reich 5 now? Why wait for them to figure it out and become a problem? Stop the problem from forming in the first place. You know they will have no such qualms if they get the secret, so kill them now before they get the chance.

Oh, and don't be subtle, don't worry about "innocents". Destroy the entire world. Leave no one left alive. The number of innocents killed in Reich 5 are statistically insignificant compared to the numbers who would die if they ever figure it out.

Actually, they do cover it as a topic in the IW setting book. Operation Firefall is a plan for a full-scale crossworld invasion of Reich-5 with the armies of the Security Council nations, Germany and Israel after a surprise decapitating parachronic atomic strike against Tokyo, Washington and Berlin.

There are two things keeping Firefall from becoming a reality. #1, in the chaos of an invasion, it's almost certain that the Nazis will get their hands on a Conveyor, which would defeat the purpose of the invasion: keeping the Nazis from breaking out into the continuum. And #2, casualties on both sides would be horrible, and there's a nontrivial chance that the fighting would bog down, turning from a quick strike to a multi-dimensional World War which would leave Homeline economically crushed and possibly under threat from surviving rogue Nazis.

And seeing as the Nazis already have outposts on other worlds now, simply nuking Reich-5 into a nuclear dustball would only leave the offworld Nazis alive and plotting revenge.

Basically, it's a problem that's a bit more complicated then the use of brute force..

[gjc8]

Originally Posted by LoneWolf23k

And seeing as the Nazis already have outposts on other worlds now, simply nuking Reich-5 into a nuclear dustball would only leave the offworld Nazis alive and plotting revenge.

And also more or less crippled. Almost all the production infrastructure, all the government, and most of the population would be wiped out.

[Captain-Captain]

Originally Posted by gjc8

And also more or less crippled. Almost all the production infrastructure, all the government, and most of the population would be wiped out.

That would leave them with their mastery of the magic used on Nostradamus and several low tech worlds they can develop.

[Ed the Coastie]

Originally Posted by Nosforontu

On the other hand that might create an even greater danger though, as it does two things it encourages Reich 5 to figure out to get off world quickly and hands them a potentially powerful weapon to boot.

Additionally of course you have the problem of setting the precedent of destroying a world and its population centers because you view it as a threat, and you are doing so without ever making any kind of formal declaration of hostilities against that world.

This could have a host of unsettling possibilities play out as a result. The first being that Centurumn may feel particularly threatened by a fellow crossworld nation state that is destroying worlds, and go from a shadow world with homeline to a hot war designed to push home line even further away from centurumn.

Additionally their remains the possibility that Reich 5 is being monitored by yet another Nazi parallel or world with its own panachronic technology. If thats the case its destruction by overt means could could invite a third power to take more overt actions as well.

*shrugging* It was just idle speculation, anyway...I couldn't do something like that. WAY outside of anything that I am capable of, actually.

The thought of a Nazi parallel with parachronic technology is too horrible to consider...

[Not another shrubbery]

Originally Posted by Captain-Captain

That would leave them with their mastery of the magic used on Nostradamus and several low tech worlds they can develop.

Just to point out, this is not necessarily a sound reason not to consider a first-strike strategy. Given their (Reich5's) demonstrated tendencies, a 'wait and see' policy seems almost guaranteed to lead to crossworld destability, and the potential for more harm than a hot war with the timeline would create. As gjc8 seems to imply, a successful first strike should at least delay the potential for outlying colonies to do harm, allowing more time to develop a strategy to deal with them.

[Gef]

Originally Posted by LoneWolf23k

there's a nontrivial chance that the fighting would bog down, turning from a quick strike to a multi-dimensional World War which would leave Homeline economically crushed

That's the reason to start Project Valkyrie NOW.

[DryaUnda]

There's one major problem with a first strike: it's too honest.

Infinity's big schtick is keeping up appearances; multiculturalism, Good Soldiers, protecting the "lesser peoples", etc. From what I can tell, Patrolmen live under the delusion that they're morally superior to everybody else -- especially the notably pragmatic Centrum. Actually getting something done is for those darkies in ISWAT!

Even if the public of Homeline never finds out about a democide on Reich-5 (it is a secret timeline), morale among the I-Cops and Scouts will be seriously damaged. Personally, I suspect the violation of the Patrolman four-color mentality to be as much of a factor as millions of dead innocents.

[Captain-Captain]

Of course, the Cabal might have made it plain to both Centrum's and Infinity's leaders that the secret of the planes is to REMAIN secret. Direct interventions of this sort will not be tolerated and there may be a few off limit worlds on Q6 & Q7 that were the Cabal's illustrations of what happens to worlds that DO NOT go along with this policy.

It also explains why both Centrum and Infinity are working secretly.