[Kromm} Powers question: Energy Reserve

Ciaran · 12-14-2005, 02:51 PM

As written, Energy Reserve can seemingly be used to power Extra Effort of your Abilities, but not for things like Extra Effort in Combat, etc. Is this the case or am I mistaken?

If it cannot be, what would a fair value be for an Enhancement that allowed it to be used for conventional Extra Effort?

Rasmus Wagner · 12-14-2005, 04:40 PM

Uh, I dunno...buying it as regular Fatigue Points?

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Originally Posted by Ciaran

As written, Energy Reserve can seemingly be used to power Extra Effort of your Abilities, but not for things like Extra Effort in Combat, etc. Is this the case or am I mistaken?

If it cannot be, what would a fair value be for an Enhancement that allowed it to be used for conventional Extra Effort?

Kromm · 12-14-2005, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Rasmus Wagner

Uh, I dunno...buying it as regular Fatigue Points?

Pretty much. The entire point of taking an ER is to set aside some FP for use by powers only. If you can spend those FP for other things, well, they're just regular FP. That said, I suppose that treating extra effort in combat as a special case of "related skills" for a chi ER would be in-genre and not terribly unbalancing. If you can use your FP to energize Power Blow, it seems fair to let them fuel Mighty Blows, too.

Ciaran · 12-14-2005, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Kromm

Pretty much. The entire point of taking an ER is to set aside some FP for use by powers only. If you can spend those FP for other things, well, they're just regular FP. That said, I suppose that treating extra effort in combat as a special case of "related skills" for a chi ER would be in-genre and not terribly unbalancing. If you can use your FP to energize Power Blow, it seems fair to let them fuel Mighty Blows, too.

Thanks Kromm. The context is for vampires in my GURPS Cabal campaign: they have Doesn't Fatigue, but no Fatigue per se (bought it down to 0 in the template). They don't suffer Fatigue loss from ordinary exertion, or suffer ill effects from being at 1/3 fatigue... they just get hungrier.

PK · 12-15-2005, 09:43 AM

While it's not a "source", per se, I don't see any reason why buying Energy Reserve (Mundane) would be so weird. Doing so would give you "fatigue" points that you could only spend on normal extra effort for regular uses. The drawback (that you can't use it on your powers at all) seems to be a fair tradeoff.

Brandy · 12-15-2005, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Rev_Pee_Kitty

While it's not a "source", per se, I don't see any reason why buying Energy Reserve (Mundane) would be so weird. Doing so would give you "fatigue" points that you could only spend on normal extra effort for regular uses. The drawback (that you can't use it on your powers at all) seems to be a fair tradeoff.

Rev, isn't there an advantage to doing that way that should be reflected in the points? As I see it (and building powers in GURPS is *not* my specialty), what you describe would give the character access to *two* pools of fatigue for the same purpose -- and the two pools recharge at the same time. Kinda like getting the Fit advantage for free, in a way.

Or am I seeing that wrong?

Not another shrubbery · 12-15-2005, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Bookman

Rev, isn't there an advantage to doing that way that should be reflected in the points? As I see it (and building powers in GURPS is *not* my specialty), what you describe would give the character access to *two* pools of fatigue for the same purpose -- and the two pools recharge at the same time. Kinda like getting the Fit advantage for free, in a way.

Or am I seeing that wrong?

Power Modifier (Mundane). I guess we could assume one, but it would be kind of a strange game 8\

Brandy · 12-15-2005, 11:23 AM

Most of my Superhero gaming is under the hero system. In that system, the corresponding ability (called Endurance Reserve) has the property that anything that you do (i.e. any power) must be defined as drawing either from your personal endurance (GURPS fatigue) or from your Endurance Reserve (GURPS Energy Reserve). I don't know what Powers says, but powers that can draw from either have a positive power modifier in Hero (+1/4, which I suppose is equivalent to 20% in GURPS, but in reality its the smallest value allowed in Hero so anything from 5%-20% is probably about right in GURPS).

So, were it me, I'd allow a character to declare as a 0-point feature that he can power mundane abilities (like extra effort) from his Energy Reserve but this would preclude him from using his FT for that purpose. I would say that being able to draw from either is a small advantage, but upon reflection it's probably not more than a 1 point perk. Sure you *can* recover fatigue at double rate if you spend from both pools but you don't get the other benefits of the Fit advantage.

Wow, that was a long way to go for that. Feel free to disregard. :\

TJA · 12-15-2005, 11:33 AM

Not completely the right Thread, but ....

I´VE GOT IT, I´VE GOT IT, ...

Expect some comment on GURPS Powers soon (unfathomable grin).

12-14-2005, 02:51 PM	#1
Ciaran Join Date: Apr 2005	[Kromm} Powers question: Energy Reserve As written, Energy Reserve can seemingly be used to power Extra Effort of your Abilities, but not for things like Extra Effort in Combat, etc. Is this the case or am I mistaken? If it cannot be, what would a fair value be for an Enhancement that allowed it to be used for conventional Extra Effort?

12-15-2005, 09:43 AM	#5
PK Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Dobbstown Sane Asylum	Re: [Kromm} Powers question: Energy Reserve While it's not a "source", per se, I don't see any reason why buying Energy Reserve (Mundane) would be so weird. Doing so would give you "fatigue" points that you could only spend on normal extra effort for regular uses. The drawback (that you can't use it on your powers at all) seems to be a fair tradeoff. __________________ Reverend Pee Kitty of the Order Malkavian-Dobbsian (Twitter) (LJ) MyGURPS: My house rules and *GURPS* resources. #SJGamesLive: I answered questions about *GURPS After the End* and more! {Watch Video} - {Read Transcript}

12-15-2005, 11:23 AM	#8
Brandy Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Nashville, TN	Re: [Kromm} Powers question: Energy Reserve Most of my Superhero gaming is under the hero system. In that system, the corresponding ability (called Endurance Reserve) has the property that anything that you do (i.e. any power) must be defined as drawing either from your personal endurance (GURPS fatigue) or from your Endurance Reserve (GURPS Energy Reserve). I don't know what Powers says, but powers that can draw from either have a positive power modifier in Hero (+1/4, which I suppose is equivalent to 20% in GURPS, but in reality its the smallest value allowed in Hero so anything from 5%-20% is probably about right in GURPS). So, were it me, I'd allow a character to declare as a 0-point feature that he can power mundane abilities (like extra effort) from his Energy Reserve but this would preclude him from using his FT for that purpose. I would say that being able to draw from either is a small advantage, but upon reflection it's probably not more than a 1 point perk. Sure you can recover fatigue at double rate if you spend from both pools but you don't get the other benefits of the Fit advantage. Wow, that was a long way to go for that. Feel free to disregard. :\ __________________ I didn't realize who I was until I stopped being who I wasn't. Formerly known as Bookman- forum name changed 1/3/2018.

12-15-2005, 11:33 AM	#9
TJA Join Date: Oct 2004	Re: [Kromm} Powers question: Energy Reserve Not completely the right Thread, but .... I´VE GOT IT, I´VE GOT IT, ... Expect some comment on GURPS Powers soon (unfathomable grin).