Less Sleep Level Cap

[NineDaysDead]

What Kromm had to say:

Originally Posted by Kromm

Doesn't Sleep does indeed include immunity to sleep-causing effects. Think of it as Less Sleep 8 [16] + Immunity (One specific item) [5], rounded to a nice 20 points because there's a little overlap and most people are pentaphiles.

[malloyd]

The other significant difference between Less Sleep 8 and Doesn't Sleep is that a character with Less Sleep can presumably sleep longer than he actually requires if he wants to.

As for what's realistic - I'd be extremely cautious about moving that around on the basis of anecdotes or personal experience. One of the things sleep research has managed to demonstrate is that when you actually measure this stuff and compare it to what people tell you, is they are *really* bad about determining how much they sleep, how long it takes for them to fall asleep, how often they wake up, how much they dream etc.

[vicky_molokh]

Originally Posted by malloyd

As for what's realistic - I'd be extremely cautious about moving that around on the basis of anecdotes or personal experience. One of the things sleep research has managed to demonstrate is that when you actually measure this stuff and compare it to what people tell you, is they are *really* bad about determining how much they sleep, how long it takes for them to fall asleep, how often they wake up, how much they dream etc.

Well, the numbers are imprecise but some of them are not necessarily underrated. E.g. if one goes to sleep around 0200 and gets up at 0800 (because the rest of the schedule depends on it), there's no way to get more than 6 hours of sleep on such nights; it is possible to get less depending on whether the fall-asleep duration is negligible or long.

[Sunrunners_Fire]

Originally Posted by NineDaysDead

What Kromm had to say:

... which is why I don't cap Less Sleep. Less Sleep 8 [16] doesn't give Resistant ("Sleep"; Rare; Immunity) [5]; Doesn't Sleep [20] does.

[Kamickalo]

Doesn't Sleep [20] = Less Sleep 8 [16] + Immunity (Sleep Afflictions) [5] + Cannot Dream [-1] ??

[Flyndaran]

Originally Posted by Peter Knutsen

Yup. UB-like "taxes" act on all created characters, not just those created by the players, and serve the function of reducing the occurence of the taxed trait in world statisical terms.

Don't take this the wrong way. But for once I completely gree with you. ;) Changing the price of (dis)advantages is not always a horrible thing.

[Flyndaran]

Originally Posted by Kamickalo

Doesn't Sleep [20] = Less Sleep 8 [16] + Immunity (Sleep Afflictions) [5] + Cannot Dream [-1] ??

My dreams are usually weird, but sometimes disturbing as well as pleasant. I would call it a wash as a zero point feature.
Though it would be interesting to limit versatility or other imaginative advantages with "must dream about it first".

[NineDaysDead]

Originally Posted by Kamickalo

Doesn't Sleep [20] = Less Sleep 8 [16] + Immunity (Sleep Afflictions) [5] + Cannot Dream [-1] ??

Since Incompetence: Dreaming is -1 point, that looks fair.

[Flyndaran]

Originally Posted by NineDaysDead

Since Incompetence: Dreaming is -1 point, that looks fair.

Only in campaigns that allow/need cinematic skills like that one.

[vicky_molokh]

Originally Posted by Flyndaran

Only in campaigns that allow/need cinematic skills like that one.

Maybe you're saying that because you have Incompetence in it? ^_^

(I used to consider the existence of Influence skills cinematic, hehe.)