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Old 09-17-2010, 05:39 AM   #11
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Other than Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep/Bladerunner and Transhuman Space, I actually can't think of any examples of biological androids, and THS is the only setting that I'm aware of that has both cybernetic and biological androids together. What other examples were you thinking of?
Star Control has (well, had) Androsynth. And the Mycon, for a non-anthropomorphic example (but they were designed with the ability to reproduce).
The SF series about a submarine in the world of future has Daxes (sp?), and they seem to be on the way from being Universal Soldiers towards freedom, but the setting seems to play up their second-class status.
Leeloo from 5th Element is about 95% a bioroid reconstruction, and nobody bats an eyelash.
Heinlein's Friday is more-or-less that, though I do not remember the specifics. I certainly remember her, and many others, being Artificial.
Mass Effect has the Keepers of Citadel.
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Old 09-17-2010, 05:55 AM   #12
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I'd propose any of:
-'Utopia' where all or nearly all humans are at leisure, supported by an economy that's finally able to replace labor entirely with capital.
-Distopia, same as the previous except that most of the population isn't in the leisure class, but instead has been completely dropped out of the economy. There literally aren't any jobs that the bioroid-using rich want to hire people for, so those who lack the capital to join the leisure class are forced to establish their own much poorer economy.
-Apocalyptic, same as previous except that the bioroid-powered industrial complexes are self-sufficient enough that they don't need a stable trading environment and resource-hungry enough to be in violent competition. So they wind up at war with one another over choice natural resources.
-Spartan? The bioroids aren't all that reliably controlled, or at least so it's believed. Most of the economy runs on bioroid labor, but much of the human population is employed as armed forces and overseers to keep the slaves down.
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Old 09-19-2010, 08:10 PM   #13
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And if somebody is going to be making largely-illegal assassins and infiltrators anyway, why not go all-out and make them look fully human? So you're still going to need those tests.
Sure, but there's a difference in paranoia levels in my setting. Blatantly different bioroids means that these tests aren't needed for everyday situations. While it's known that "human" bioroids are made, it's assumed they're very few of them, and that known users are prosecuted. A vague analogy can be made to metal and weapons detectors in modern America. We assume the average person isn't a homicidal maniac, and so detectors are only at border crossings and airports.
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Old 09-19-2010, 10:54 PM   #14
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Robotech had bioroids. The Zentraedi were giant warriors who acted as the army for the Robotech masters. And the bioroids were the elite army guarding the robotech masters.
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Old 09-19-2010, 11:26 PM   #15
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Would not Ghost in the Shell fall into this class?
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Old 09-20-2010, 06:17 AM   #16
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Would not Ghost in the Shell fall into this class?
I don't remember any biological constructs in that that you could compair. It is heavily cybernetic not biotech. It also does not have enough artificial intelligence broadly enough to have society develop ways of treating it.
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Old 09-20-2010, 11:28 AM   #17
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I don't remember any biological constructs in that that you could compair. It is heavily cybernetic not biotech. It also does not have enough artificial intelligence broadly enough to have society develop ways of treating it.
why the don't have biodriode the DID make heavy use of AI (but "ghostless") synthoids from everything from personal assistants to sex toys.
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Old 09-20-2010, 01:19 PM   #18
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why the don't have biodriode the DID make heavy use of AI (but "ghostless") synthoids from everything from personal assistants to sex toys.
Sure, but those were non sapient AI and not biological but human looking robots.

The main issue with this is how human are the bioroids? If say you take the THS approach, which I like, you can have ones that run a broad level of rights. You can make bioroids that are legally property, just make them bioshells and give them a NAI or LAI controler. It might squick people but that is all really, they become engineered meat robots.
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Old 09-20-2010, 03:25 PM   #19
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I don't remember any biological constructs in that that you could compair. It is heavily cybernetic not biotech. It also does not have enough artificial intelligence broadly enough to have society develop ways of treating it.
They had Terminatoresque combos. That's what the Major/Puppet Master fusion ended up living in.
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Old 09-20-2010, 06:00 PM   #20
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In the Stand Alone Complex series, there was one episode that dealt with cloning a person, ghost and all, to keep a famous revolutionary in the limelight after his death.
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