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Not all that familiar with THS, unfortunately - I was speaking more of bioroids in general. If bioroids have to be assembled in much the same way as robots, the only immediate advantages are being self-healing and the requisite materials being a bit less uncommon.
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Join Date: Oct 2004
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Not to mention that in a civilized society, robots are far faster to repair with modular parts. Hypothetical arm loss means an hour or two for a robot, but weeks convalescence post THS super surgery. At best, it still seems an issue of speed and expense than quality.
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SAIs seem WAY over-designed for nearly every job they could do except those for which that whole ethical dilemma would make them not so sutiable for in the first place; suicide missions of military or scientific exploration types. But THS has only three classes to work with and for Bioroids to compete with. It's hard to imagine a plausible society that's fine enslaving modified flesh people but not actual computer programs regardless of human-like psychology. Without invoking some draconian religion/cultural block, bioroids seem like a niche market of Bladerunner creepiness especially since about equally effective machines exist in setting.
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There's also expense of the assembling machines themselves. Maybe bioroid manufacture doesn't require the same level of precision as cells kind of know where to go. This may lower the price so "Mom And Pop" boiroid businesses could exist where only a few massive S.A.I. computer factories can afford the start up costs. We all know what happens when monopolies exist; quality goes down and price goes up beyond "true cost". That seems like a somewhat plausible way to keep fleshies competitive. (I know jack all about economics, so these ideas may seem just as absurd to an expert as rapid Martian terraforming does to some of us.)
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Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Ventura CA
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You need TL12 neogenesis on p. 27 to make viable artificial species. Last edited by sir_pudding; 09-30-2016 at 04:55 PM. |
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With our late TL8 technology TODAY we can do cross species IVF via blood cells. THS has external wombs, and thus they can produce as many bioroids as they wish once they have a viable gene-line even if they are sterile in production (They would probably want to- you don't want your bioroids busy in auto-production. Thus a THS bioroid 'factory' would seem to have more in common with a chicken farm then it would with a robot assembly line; which has advantages in that they have multiple cheap incubation chaimbers instead of a single massive assembly line. |
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Join Date: Feb 2005
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This misunderstands what THS bioroids are. The essential distinction is that a parahuman has a viable gene-line, a bioroid does not; it's a chimera or otherwise unable to grow in a natural way. |
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No, that's what the book says. I am looking right at it. On what basis am I incorrect?
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Yes, conventional germline genetic engineering (or even, as you say, selective breeding) allows the modification of existing organisms into new species. This is something different, at TL12 neogenesis allows the assembly of an adult member of a viable artificial species, from scratch. This really shouldn't be a matter of debate, that is just what it says on Biotech p. 27, "The ultimate expression of biogenesis (at TL12) would be to create an entirely new viable species, fully capable of self-reproduction."
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