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04-06-2017, 12:57 PM | #21 | |
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Re: International Relations and Implications of US Supersoldier Experiments in 2017
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In fact the government would be extremely foolish to do such a thing and it is better off continuing to trust in war machines manned by citizen-soldiers who are no stronger then anyone else in civil life where their machines are not around.
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04-06-2017, 01:31 PM | #22 | ||
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Re: International Relations and Implications of US Supersoldier Experiments in 2017
Well, it's different in that it can produce smarter, more adaptable and better motivated soldiers. And officers.
A professional army will usually have battlefield leaders with skill 12-15 in important skills like Leadership and Tactics. The best are probably skill 16-18. Occasionally, a great leader who is good enough to change history might be more skilled, with 19-22. The effects of having an army where the leaders are all skill 14-18, the really good ones are skill 19-22 and perhaps several of the top leaders are skill 23+ would be pretty impressive. Not to mention the potential force multiplier of maybe having Special Forces, mumbering in the thousands, where every single operator has skill 18+ in all relevant skills and can remain sharp, fit and at Olympic levels of physical development into his fifties and sixties. All sorts of strategic missions that are considered impossible with regular people might become possible if the operators were all operating at the edge of human competence and even had greater than human abilities in some things. Quote:
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And once it has happened once, it's pretty hard to decide not to research it further. What if someone else gains the capacity?
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04-06-2017, 01:54 PM | #23 | |
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The main difference is that there can be no arms control treaties when destroying weapons means executing people. On the other hand, in principle that just takes us back to Westphalian(and many other similar peace conferences) days when the main problem in ending a war was downsizing. How effective would supersoldiers actually be? They would not be expendable therefore could not be committed to battle, and they can only be in one place at a time. They can conduct dramatic strikes, but can they take and hold ground any better then any other kind of soldier? Their brains, adaptablity, etc is limited when so much of war is random.
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04-06-2017, 02:44 PM | #24 | |||
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No method known to man in our history has ever been able to produce Caesars, Napoleons and Alexanders by order, with a staff, junior officers and NCOs who are all world-class experts. Quote:
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As for how effective, well, as effective as GURPS characters with Attributes 13-16 instead of 11-13, with the addition of all kinds of Talents and Advantages. There are those with ST 25+, DX up to 18 and extreme senses, but these wouldn't have nearly the impact of people like Dr. Michael Anderson (PC), who has IQ 17, or generals with IQ 14+ and Born Tactician 4, not to mention the mental drive and adaptability to improve their skills constantly all their lives.
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04-06-2017, 03:04 PM | #25 | |
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Iran, North Korea, South Korea, Assortec Chinese hacker groups, assorted Russian mafia/mob hacker groups, assorted domestic/international hacker groups including anonymous, various malware producers (at least three times in the time period you are identifying the DIRECTOR of the FBI had either his home computer and/or work computer compromised by malware). Via medical equipment purchases: Canada, UK, France, Germany, Japan, Via 4 eyes intelligence sharing (the US might end up sharing if they want access to what other peoples projects are doing; of particular interest might be intense activity during the 70's that the canadian's did attempting to train remote viewers, and the australian project attempting to weaponize the aborriginal dreamtime): Canada, UK, Aus Via the research community: Canada, UK, Germany, France Last edited by starslayer; 04-06-2017 at 03:22 PM. |
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04-06-2017, 05:29 PM | #26 | |
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EDIT: Was it bone pointing? I so want there to have been a government spec ops bone pointing program.
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04-06-2017, 07:11 PM | #27 | ||
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No one so far has shown the capacity to be a WMD. A Weapon of Mass Groping, maybe. Quote:
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04-06-2017, 07:39 PM | #28 | ||
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Remember the rats? What do you think will happen if the gene for super-intelligent rats that work in perfect unison breeds true? How would humanity fare against rats that gather intelligence, plan and then act as one? Do you know how many rats there are in the world? And how few generations it would take for the super-intelligent rats to displace them? And keep in mind that Onyx Rain seems to assume that former test subjects may be able to infect others somehow. There may be a reason for that belief or it may just be paranoia. On the other hand, us players and any readers know that the condition can be inherited, which Onyx Rain may or may not suspect. Depending on how that works, the new species could breed humanity out within a fairly short time. Well, Dr. Anderson has powers that might allow him to obtain any secret that a person who sleeps has. Such as nuclear launch codes. He could also convince people of... well, anything, in their sleep. We've seen some of it in play and we might get to test those limits. Quote:
That's enough correlation to make the lack of any connection astronomically unlikely.
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It might serve to make foreign intelligence agencies curious, but frankly, I'd guess that most who saw emails or other secure communcations about supersoldiers and drug trials would either assume that they'd been detected by someone with a sense of humour or that they'd stumbled across a pet project by a senior bureaucrat with crazy pseudoscientific beliefs, like the Trojan Warrior Project or the Stargate Project. Any actual evidence is probably not kept on networked computers. For one thing, it's evidence against a lot of senior officers in the US Army about falsification of records for Project Jade Serenity. They are probably trying to keep it from their own government, let alone others. Other factions of the conspiracy seem to be holding on to any potential evidence, possibly for leverage. No one is actually filing scientific data about test subjects of Project Jade Serenity into government computers, where all sorts of people might take official note of it. Quote:
Even as far as the scientists who took part knew, it was an embarrassing professional failure which damaged their careers, not something which yielded actual marketable results. Quote:
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04-07-2017, 09:00 AM | #30 | |
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For that matter in the absence of any results, there would have been no reason to run an illegal cover-up, so there ought to be at least some sort of notation in their medical files they could have requested to have sent to any physician or insurance company on the planet too.
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