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Old 01-18-2007, 04:55 AM   #431
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I'll PM Shadlyn and explain that this is a matter of religious significance...
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Old 01-18-2007, 05:04 AM   #432
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I'll PM Shadlyn and explain that this is a matter of religious significance...
And that this matter has the whole-hearted support of the Holy Mother Thread.

With extra heart.
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Old 01-18-2007, 05:40 AM   #433
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I don't like the 10% of the income idea. Apparently, the Icelandic government requires almost 40% of mine and I need the rest to live on.
Pfeh. In Sweden we're talking about 2/3. And of course, if you earn a lot it is even more... (we've even had some cases where the income tax went above 100%, and the inheritance taxes on one of the wealthier Swedish people was about twice as much as the money in the estate...)

A vow to purchase SJG stuff for 10% of your income? Aren't gifts to religious organizations tax-deductible in Iceland?
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Old 01-18-2007, 05:54 AM   #434
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Pfeh. In Sweden we're talking about 2/3. And of course, if you earn a lot it is even more... (we've even had some cases where the income tax went above 100%, and the inheritance taxes on one of the wealthier Swedish people was about twice as much as the money in the estate...)
In Sweden, it is apparently considered a great crime to earn money.

Just as an aside, how the hell can income tax go above 100%? Isn't it a percentage? Are you actually fined for going above certain values?

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A vow to purchase SJG stuff for 10% of your income? Aren't gifts to religious organizations tax-deductible in Iceland?
SJ Games doesn't publish enough GURPS for that to be possible. 10%, even at the horrible prices here, would still be six large GURPS books a month and a little Munchkin, KAMB and knick-nacks on the side.
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Old 01-18-2007, 06:37 AM   #435
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In Sweden, it is apparently considered a great crime to earn money.
The Social Democrats' slogan was "We want rich corporation and poor owners."

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Just as an aside, how the hell can income tax go above 100%? Isn't it a percentage? Are you actually fined for going above certain values?
Used to be, yes. The marginal tax is a tax on every extra krona you earn. Now, there was a mathematical function that adjusted this so that the more you earned, the more you paid. And at a certain level, this worked out to more than 1 krona/krona earned. This happened in 1975 when Astrid Lindgren earned so much money that her marginal tax reached 105% - so for every extra krona she earned she actually had 5 öre less than before. When the minister of finance was told, he said "Astrid Lindgren is good at writing, but she is no good at calculating." Together with some other scandals, it is reckoned that this cost the social democrats the victory in 1976. Or, in the words of a social democrat*, "losing the election felt like a coup d'etat."

*when the social democrats lost power in 2006, she suggested that the election period be shortened from 4 to 3 years.
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Old 01-18-2007, 06:47 AM   #436
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KROMM'elujah, my faith is rekindled!
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Old 01-18-2007, 07:00 AM   #437
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Perhaps it is the marginal rate that goes above 100%.
I figured that, but how on Earth can any sane being agree to such a scheme?

No, wait, strike that. I just realised that the sane majority of the voters who agreed to this were all the people who realised that they didn't have to pay so much, just the rich people.

Isn't greed a wonderful thing?

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While we are comparing, the Australian government takes 5.1% of my income in direct taxes and 9.1% of my non-food non-medical expenses in consumption taxes. Plus which I pay 4% of my income to the local government in land taxes (in addition to paying for water and sewers).
I got you beat by a large margin in those rates. About +250%.

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And whenever I am foolish enough to sign a contract (eg. when I buy or sell land or cars, when I borrow on mortgage, or when I take out an insurance policy) I get monstered for several percent in 'stamp duty' by the evil leeches in the state government.
Got that too. Our sane political party (which forms one part of a coalition party) has been discussing changing it, but they are shouted down by both their partners and the opposition (actually, there is the sound of crickets and a concerted effort never to get far enough to vote on the issue).

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For this I get both socialised medicine and a war in Iraq. And a government budget surplus.
We don't even get a T-shirt.

Oh, wait, we get a socialised medicine system. Except that I just paid $300 to a doctor for ten minutes of his time, drugs and some X-rays.

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All hail KROMM
Alaykum KROMM!
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Old 01-18-2007, 07:05 AM   #438
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The Social Democrats' slogan was "We want rich corporation and poor owners."
Real slogan or something their opponents used?

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Used to be, yes. The marginal tax is a tax on every extra krona you earn. Now, there was a mathematical function that adjusted this so that the more you earned, the more you paid. And at a certain level, this worked out to more than 1 krona/krona earned.
Beautiful. I bet some bureaucrat woke up and hugged himself when he thought up this scheme.

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This happened in 1975 when Astrid Lindgren earned so much money that her marginal tax reached 105% - so for every extra krona she earned she actually had 5 öre less than before.
To be fair, that's not as shocking as if it happened today. Sweden was a socialist country with a one party dictatorship in the 70s, not a Western Democracy.

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When the minister of finance was told, he said "Astrid Lindgren is good at writing, but she is no good at calculating."
Meaning she shouldn't have announced how much she earned? ;)

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Together with some other scandals, it is reckoned that this cost the social democrats the victory in 1976. Or, in the words of a social democrat*, "losing the election felt like a coup d'etat."
And these people stay in politics?

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*when the social democrats lost power in 2006, she suggested that the election period be shortened from 4 to 3 years.
We lost, so the rematch should be as soon as possible? ;)
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Old 01-18-2007, 07:35 AM   #439
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Real slogan or something their opponents used?
Real slogan. "Poor" in Swedish does not refer to ability, so it doesn't sound quite as bad here.

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And these people stay in politics?
Can you imagine her getting a job anywhere else? We had to send a former Equality Minister to Brazil as a diplomat to get rid of her.

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We lost, so the rematch should be as soon as possible? ;)
Approximately, yes. She also announced that it was the media's fault.
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Old 01-18-2007, 07:50 AM   #440
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Real slogan. "Poor" in Swedish does not refer to ability, so it doesn't sound quite as bad here.
Well, "poor" in Icelandic doesn't refer to ability either, but no person I know would ever vote for a politician who promised to make them (nor anyone else, I suppose) poor.

Even those who feel that it is natural for a government to perform tasks like "ensuring equality" and "promoting fairness" would never actually publicly state that their aim was to reduce people to poverty.

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Can you imagine her getting a job anywhere else? We had to send a former Equality Minister to Brazil as a diplomat to get rid of her.
*Sigh*

No, but what about just retiring her or putting her on welfare? Does less damage that way.

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Approximately, yes. She also announced that it was the media's fault.
Let me guess, a "Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy"? ;)
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