Talents for MH:RPM Paths okay?

[sir_pudding]

Originally Posted by Rev. Pee Kitty

For Talent, Peter is right; you don't have to allow it, but then you might have to deal with munchkins trying to raise IQ! as high as possible.

Of course that's only a problem if you don't have a disadvantage limit or allow IQ! as a metatrait; neither of which seem to be good ideas if you are worried about munchkins.

[Flyndaran]

Originally Posted by sir_pudding

Of course that's only a problem if you don't have a disadvantage limit or allow IQ! as a metatrait; neither of which seem to be good ideas if you are worried about munchkins.

I've never made a character that ever came close to the disadvantage limit even for low point games.

[sir_pudding]

Originally Posted by Flyndaran

I've never made a character that ever came close to the disadvantage limit even for low point games.

Then you aren't the sort of person that would sell down Per and Will to get a boost to IQ-based skills.

[Flyndaran]

Originally Posted by sir_pudding

Then you aren't the sort of person that would sell down Per and Will to get a boost to IQ-based skills.

I would if the concept required it. The super intelligent but not super willful or perceptive is a quite common character.
Either way doesn't matter much.

[sir_pudding]

Originally Posted by Flyndaran

I would if the concept required it. The super intelligent but not super willful or perceptive is a quite common character.
Either way doesn't matter much.

In which case you'd hit the disadvantage limit, which was my point. So-called "IQ!" doesn't actually exist. Unless you specifically make it a metatrait, it counts against the disadvantage limit, is limited in humans to IQ-4, and cannot be "purchased" after character creation (you can't just take a disadvantage after character creation and get the points back).

[Flyndaran]

Originally Posted by sir_pudding

In which case you'd hit the disadvantage limit, which was my point. So-called "IQ!" doesn't actually exist. Unless you specifically make it a metatrait, it counts against the disadvantage limit, is limited in humans to IQ-4, and cannot be "purchased" after character creation (you can't just take a disadvantage after character creation and get the points back).

I don't like rules that explicitly disallow valid character concepts, especially when they mimic real world possibilities.

[PK]

Originally Posted by Westerhaven

So I wonder whether it's really right to think of it as an unfair /unbalanced option.

That's up to the GM and depends on the campaign, really.

Originally Posted by sir_pudding

Of course that's only a problem if you don't have a disadvantage limit or allow IQ! as a metatrait; neither of which seem to be good ideas if you are worried about munchkins.

And another thing that will vary significantly from GM to GM, and from setting to setting.

That's why RPM addresses this, offers advice, and softly suggests what I think is the most reasonable and balanced approach (in the form of Natural Caster, a 15-point Talent that covers a nice wide range of useful skills). It's made clear that the GM absolutely has the right to forbid Path skills from Talent (since they're as much "spell" as "skill") but also why he might not want to.

I specifically put the Talent discussion into a box (as opposed to in the standard Advantages section) to emphasize that this isn't "the one right way" to handle this in RPM, just one of many.

[sir_pudding]

Originally Posted by Rev. Pee Kitty

And another thing that will vary significantly from GM to GM, and from setting to setting.

Sure but it seems rather self defeating to say, "I'm worried about munchkins so I don't have a disadvantage limit and I allow IQ! as a meta-trait."

That's why RPM addresses this, offers advice, and softly suggests what I think is the most reasonable and balanced approach (in the form of Natural Caster, a 15-point Talent that covers a nice wide range of useful skills). It's made clear that the GM absolutely has the right to forbid Path skills from Talent (since they're as much "spell" as "skill") but also why he might not want to\

Yeah, that's completely sensible.

[Flyndaran]

Originally Posted by Rev. Pee Kitty

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That's why RPM addresses this, offers advice, and softly suggests what I think is the most reasonable and balanced approach (in the form of Natural Caster, a 15-point Talent that covers a nice wide range of useful skills). It's made clear that the GM absolutely has the right to forbid Path skills from Talent (since they're as much "spell" as "skill") but also why he might not want to.

I specifically put the Talent discussion into a box (as opposed to in the standard Advantages section) to emphasize that this isn't "the one right way" to handle this in RPM, just one of many.

Natural Caster isn't MH 1, and that's the only one I have right now.
Which book is it in?

[sir_pudding]

Originally Posted by Flyndaran

Which book is it in?

It will be in GURPS Ritual Path Magic, at least that's what Jason is saying.