Defense Bonus

[Ji ji]

Thank you for the explanation.
However, this interpretation is even more odd, to me. There is a hit roll, and I always considered it took on account of a moving target. Moreover, if dodge is erratic movement, it's not clear at all why it shiuld be influenced by deceptive attacks and feints.

To me, a dodge seems an active defense (and it is, by definition, an active defense). I prefer to use a cumulative -2 penalty. If the reason behind no penalty is the "passive" nature of a dodge, I think I'll continue to follow my house rule, because I prefer consider an erratic, unpredictable movement as a matter regarding hit roll and not active defense.

[Peter Knutsen]

Originally Posted by David Johnston2

Ain't nothing woeful about it. Combat Reflexes being cheap is a good thing.

Until you reach the point where everyone takes it without needing to stop and think. But I don't think that's the case with GURPS 4E. It's cheap at 15 CP, but for many character concepts, there are other traits you want to buy first.

[David Johnston2]

Originally Posted by Ji ji

Thank you for the explanation.
However, this interpretation is even more odd, to me. There is a hit roll, and I always considered it took on account of a moving target. Moreover, if dodge is erratic movement, it's not clear at all why it shiuld be influenced by deceptive attacks and feints.

To me, a dodge seems an active defense (and it is, by definition, an active defense). I prefer to use a cumulative -2 penalty. If the reason behind no penalty is the "passive" nature of a dodge,.

The reason is because "Heck yeah Spider-Man or Batman can dodge multiple gunmen"

[Icelander]

Originally Posted by David Johnston2

The reason is because "Heck yeah Spider-Man or Batman can dodge multiple gunmen"

For all other superpowers in GURPS, the way to model them is to pick the appropriate Advantage and pay the points for it.

Spider-Man and Batman become considerably less impressive if the street thugs they fight can duplicate their stunts. Even if the thugs might have only a 62% chance of doing it as opposed to 98%, it's still rather disappointing.

[roguebfl]

Originally Posted by Peter Knutsen

Until you reach the point where everyone takes it without needing to stop and think. But I don't think that's the case with GURPS 4E. It's cheap at 15 CP, but for many character concepts, there are other traits you want to buy first.

If the campaign is combat heavy they like SG-1 where even Daniel Jackson the sage of the party becomes a proficient combatant then all the PCs buying is a good thing and why it's cheap so it can be picked up in play.

so no even when it reach the point where everyone one takes it you don't need to stop to think when they taking it for the reason it exists, people who are comfortable reacting in crises situation... which is a good description of experienced PCs in a lot of campaigns, while they might not start like that they often become so

[johndallman]

Originally Posted by Peter Knutsen

Until you reach the point where everyone takes it without needing to stop and think. But I don't think that's the case with GURPS 4E. It's cheap at 15 CP, but for many character concepts, there are other traits you want to buy first.

Absolutely. In the campaigns I've played under 3e and 4e, it's a usual thing to take if combat is a major part of what the character does. But if not, it's hard to justify, and the points are more use in other things.

[David Johnston2]

Originally Posted by Icelander

For all other superpowers in GURPS, the way to model them is to pick the appropriate Advantage and pay the points for it.

That would lead to them being just as untouchable by master martial artists, and they aren't.

[Ji ji]

Originally Posted by David Johnston2

The reason is because "Heck yeah Spider-Man or Batman can dodge multiple gunmen"

In a supers, cinematic game, multiple dodges without penalities are fine. It's only that I play only harshly realistic adventure, so dodge penalities suit much better.

[David Johnston2]

Originally Posted by Ji ji

In a supers, cinematic game, multiple dodges without penalities are fine. It's only that I play only harshly realistic adventure, so dodge penalities suit much better.

If you play harshly realistic games, then how are dodge scores high enough in the first place to cause a problem?

[vierasmarius]

Originally Posted by David Johnston2

If you play harshly realistic games, then how are dodge scores high enough in the first place to cause a problem?

A harshly realistic setting is not incompatible with exceptional and heroic individuals. A character with CR and high Basic Speed could hit a 75% Dodge rate (or higher) without delving into cinematic traits. The Multiple Dodge penalty helps to bring Dodge 12+ back down to earth.