GURPS - translate in other languanges

[demonsbane]

Originally Posted by Kuroshima

Editing is NOT optional.

QFT. yeah I know, more letters :D

[Ze'Manel Cunha]

Originally Posted by demonsbane

Exactly. I think that these things like translators putting brackets with question marks, or entire lines in the original language, personal comments in the text, etc . . . are directed to the reviewers and editors. This happens more often with beginning or non-professional translators.

Not really, the brackets and question marks are exactly how professional translators are supposed to notate this type of issue to their copy editors.

The problem is that the translators' notation wasn't reviewed by copy editors who were supposed to check those things out and give feedback, and the raw work was printed without significant editorial review.

You can't blame translators for not doing copy editors' jobs, especially if you don't tell them ahead of time that not only are they supposed to be translating something, but that they're also supposed to be editing and putting out a polished finished product. The product you guys are talking about is normally supposed to go from the translator to a copy editor, then from the copy editor to the executive editor, then it's supposed to be published.

Eliminating copy editors has become pretty common, but don't blame the translators for not being copy editors, that's not normally their job.

[Kuroshima]

Originally Posted by Ze'Manel Cunha

Eliminating copy editors has become pretty common, but don't blame the translators for not being copy editors, that's not normally their job.

You mean they ever existed? Not in the local RPG industry, where any kind of editing is sort of a bonus.

[demonsbane]

Originally Posted by Ze'Manel Cunha

Not really, the brackets and question marks are exactly how professional translators are supposed to notate this type of issue to their copy editors.

The problem is that the translators' notation wasn't reviewed by copy editors who were supposed to check those things out and give feedback, and the raw work was printed without significant editorial review.

You can't blame translators for not doing copy editors' jobs, especially if you don't tell them ahead of time that not only are they supposed to be translating something, but that they're also supposed to be editing and putting out a polished finished product. The product you guys are talking about is normally supposed to go from the translator to a copy editor, then from the copy editor to the executive editor, then it's supposed to be published.

Eliminating copy editors has become pretty common, but don't blame the translators for not being copy editors, that's not normally their job.

Maybe I expressed myself bad. I'm not blaming the translators, but the lack of reviewers and editors. I mentioned the beginning or non-professional translators because many role playing publishers -La Factoría de Ideas, Devir, etc- often use this kind of translators, and thus it's a fault of them to not review the work of these translators. Yes, they -beginner or profesional- are encouraged to use brackets and comments, even writing text in contrasting colors for catching the attention of their copy editors.

Actually I agree with the points that you are explaining.

[demonsbane]

Originally Posted by Kuroshima

You mean they ever existed? Not in the local RPG industry, where any kind of editing is sort of a bonus.

Time ago I was translating WoD books into Spanish for La Factoría de Ideas, and I can assure you that they existed :)

However, they could do a better job, specially when they deal with the work of beginning translators . . . and I guess that this is the core of the whole issue.

[Perssek]

Originally Posted by Mateus

I own GURPS Conan (in portuguese) and never saw that line in english =(... Do you have a page reference?

Sorry man, I don't have the book here (I can ask my friend who has it), but I remember it was about a kind of (magic, I guess) boat with wings, and I can clearly recall it "saying" ?wide-beamed hull? I guess it was in the magical stuff chapter. It was a long time ago, but I can still remember the error.

Oh, and Conan's queen (Zenobia? Can't be bothered to Google for it) had IQ 2. I know Conan doesn't go for the college girl type, but come on...

[Peter Knutsen]

Originally Posted by Carlos

One of the most common anti-GURPS arguments I've heard for several years in the third edition era (although it can be heard even today!) was the rule of "to dig a hole", therefore meaning that GURPS was a over-complex system. Now, guess where that "argument" came from?

What's wrong with that? It's exceedingly offensive to have an RPG campaign in which every single character, regardless of sex, species and any individual traits, dig at the same speed.

[Druida]

Originally Posted by Carlos

One of the most common anti-GURPS arguments I've heard for several years in the third edition era (although it can be heard even today!) was the rule of "to dig a hole", therefore meaning that GURPS was a over-complex system. Now, guess where that "argument" came from?

Man, GURPS have three rules:
1 - Role 3D6 to do a test;
2 - Role the dice when your character do an damage;
3 - You determine the reaction of NPCs seing the Reaction'sTable.

All Other rules are only suggetion!

[D10]

Originally Posted by Druida

Man, GURPS have three rules:
1 - Role 3D6 to do a test;
2 - Role the dice when your character do an damage;
3 - You determine the reaction of NPCs seing the Reaction'sTable.

All Other rules are only suggetion!

I have only used this rule a handful of times

And I dont think its a core mechanic really, as long as you take into consideration whats influencing their actions and dont ignore how the modifiers could affect the situation...