Extreme Regeneration and Costs HP

[Kfireblade]

Originally Posted by weby

I have a ruling that HP lost to "cost HP" cannot be recovered by heal/healing spells/regeneration.

But the HP lost to using too many FP can be recovered normally.

The combination seems to work well enough.

Really? Seems like if they where to get healed by someone else it would be fair enough. I mean, if you burn FP you can have it recovered by a mage with lend energy.

[vicky_molokh]

Originally Posted by weby

I have a ruling that HP lost to "cost HP" cannot be recovered by heal/healing spells/regeneration.

But the HP lost to using too many FP can be recovered normally.

The combination seems to work well enough.

Do you apply a similar ruling to Regeneration (-0% ER Only)? If yes, why, if no, why?

[weby]

Originally Posted by Kfireblade

Really? Seems like if they where to get healed by someone else it would be fair enough. I mean, if you burn FP you can have it recovered by a mage with lend energy.

Being able to be healed by others can cause feedback loops. So a blanket no just makes things clearer.

The basic idea is that cost HP is a serious limitation. I make it clear for players who want to take cost HP as a modifier.

[weby]

Originally Posted by vicky_molokh

Do you apply a similar ruling to Regeneration (-0% ER Only)? If yes, why, if no, why?

In my current campaign FP is the limiting resource usually, hiit points are often a problem temporarily, but given the fairly easy access to healing, regeneration and healing elixirs, they are easy to recover.

Thus to keep the limiting, I do not allow Regeneration of ER/FP and things like breath control are heavily nerfed and there is no recover energy spell and so on..

So the actual need for such rule is not needed, as the limit is enforced in other ways.

[Anthony]

Temporary Disadvantage (-X HP) would be -2% per level. The extra value is presumably because it costs you that every minute and you only get it back daily, so faster healing should be lower disad.

[AlexanderHowl]

Mana-based magic does change the dynamics between FP and HP (as does the Healing power to a certain degree, which is why I tend to limit the Healing power to Empathic Healing only). When you have only the Path of Healing from Path/Book Ritual Magic and Empathic Healing as a power, PCs tend to be a little more careful about their HP (even with magic and/or powers) and worry less about their FP.

[vicky_molokh]

Originally Posted by weby

In my current campaign FP is the limiting resource usually, hiit points are often a problem temporarily, but given the fairly easy access to healing, regeneration and healing elixirs, they are easy to recover.

Thus to keep the limiting, I do not allow Regeneration of ER/FP and things like breath control are heavily nerfed and there is no recover energy spell and so on..

So the actual need for such rule is not needed, as the limit is enforced in other ways.

Ah, so you're talking in the context of a campaign setup which significantly differs from the default assumptions about the availability of speeding up resource recovery.

[weby]

Originally Posted by vicky_molokh

Ah, so you're talking in the context of a campaign setup which significantly differs from the default assumptions about the availability of speeding up resource recovery.

Fast regaining of (HP,ER,FP) are among the things that break things a lot. So before allowing any such I have to think what limits I want to put on them. The exact limits and methods of course depend on the campaign. But a "Allow everything" simply does not work for such.

The classical ER 20-100, extreme regeneration ER(150) and then buying all powers at high cost FP (10-20 depending on how often you want to use them) and you save a lot of points at high end games.

The same works even better with cost HP if you have high HP as cost HP is not multiplied by your HP/10 but the healing from regeneration is.

In the low end games the issues come up less, but the OP asked about extreme regeneration and in that case there should be an actual disadvantage to a limitation.

[vicky_molokh]

Originally Posted by weby

Fast regaining of (HP,ER,FP) are among the things that break things a lot. So before allowing any such I have to think what limits I want to put on them. The exact limits and methods of course depend on the campaign. But a "Allow everything" simply does not work for such.

The classical ER 20-100, extreme regeneration ER(150) and then buying all powers at high cost FP (10-20 depending on how often you want to use them) and you save a lot of points at high end games.

The same works even better with cost HP if you have high HP as cost HP is not multiplied by your HP/10 but the healing from regeneration is.

In the low end games the issues come up less, but the OP asked about extreme regeneration and in that case there should be an actual disadvantage to a limitation.

That's certainly a PoV with a right to exist and with some reasonable support by arguments.
My point is that your concerns look at a grander issue that the specific of Extreme Regeneration. They're about the fairness of pool regeneration in the broader sense.

[Anthony]

Originally Posted by vicky_molokh

That's certainly a PoV with a right to exist and with some reasonable support by arguments.
My point is that your concerns look at a grander issue that the specific of Extreme Regeneration. They're about the fairness of pool regeneration in the broader sense.

I would probably price fatigue regeneration at 10/level, each level gives +1 fatigue per minute (so 6,000 points for extreme). If you want a tireless character, build your abilities to not cost fatigue in the first place.