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Old 07-10-2018, 03:07 PM   #51
Rick_Smith
 
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Default Re: Unarmed Combat - Question on UC v.

I have some important questions on UC v.

It gives awesome defensive abilities, but can those abilities be used if you are armed? Can you be wearing any armor and use it?

The talent does not actually say. In my campaign I ruled that to use this talent you have to have at least one hand empty. I also say UC v can be used while wearing any armor.

If Steve could answer these questions, I would appreciate it.

Warm regards, Rick.

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Old 07-10-2018, 03:17 PM   #52
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It's a reaction to injury, not a reaction to falling down. 5 hits and you're at -2 DX, 8 hits and you fall down and are stunned.

I think the stun-effect is supposed to be from the damage, not from falling down.
I don't think so. See also:
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Originally Posted by Advanced Melee, "Crawling, Kneeling, And Lying Prone", page 5
A figure which falls assumes the prone position involuntarily and may do NOTHING next turn except (either) stand up or crawl, or attempt a spell.
That has nothing to do with injury and would even apply to someone tripping over a body during the Movement Phase.

Otherwise the following example could happen:

A moves over a body and trips.
B voluntarily drops to a prone position.
C attacks D, who takes 8 points of damage and falls, barely alive.
D's turn comes, and he gets right back up.
A and B, just for going to prone, get no action.

Next turn:
A and B have to take the turn getting up.
D stood up last turn and can take an action.
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Old 07-10-2018, 03:22 PM   #53
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Default Being knocked down and actions.

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And of course, there's this - "A figure which takes 8 or more hits in one turn IMMEDIATELY falls down. If it has not already attacked, it may not attack that turn. It may do nothing NEXT turn except stand up (or stay down). If it is in HTH combat it may do NOTHING next turn." ...
Hi Ty, everyone.
In my campaign, if you are knocked down (with one exception), and you have not used your action, you may change your action to 'stand up'. If you have used your action, then next turn you may stand up during movement.

The exception is if you are knocked down due to damage. In that case, you lose your action this turn (if unspent), and next turn, you must stand up during the option phase.

This makes being knocked down due to damage, scary.

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Old 07-10-2018, 03:25 PM   #54
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Default Re: Unarmed Combat - Question on UC v.

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I have some important questions on UC v.

It gives awesome defensive abilities, but can those abilities be used if you are armed? Can you be wearing any armor and use it?
Cloth only, per the note on UC I.
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In my campaign I ruled that to use this talent you have to have at least one hand empty. I also UC v can be used with while wearing any armor.

Warm regards, Rick.
I can't parse that last sentence.
The intent was to require two empty hands. Will edit.
Again, if a fully armed and armored fighter defeats a martial artist, that's how it should be except maybe Bruce Lee UC V.

zot - What is RAW?

I am going to paste together a document of my current thoughts on UC skills.
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Old 07-10-2018, 03:28 PM   #55
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i.e.
Wizard casts Trip! You fall to the ground and drop your weapon! Oh my!
I get up and ready my weapon. ...
Hi Skarg,
I agree with your post generally, but standing up and reading a weapon are two different actions. So you would stand up, and NEXT turn, ready your weapon. While you are standing around for a turn, unarmed, the wizard could hit you with her staff and then cast Trip again next turn.

That said, I do not see where the Trip spell says you drop your weapons when you are tripped. We have never played it that way. (So my argument above is mooted.) ;-D

(Even under reactions to Injury if you take 8 hits, it does not say you drop your weapons.)

Warm regards, Rick.
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Old 07-10-2018, 03:30 PM   #56
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I don't think so. See also:

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Originally Posted by Advanced Melee, "Crawling, Kneeling, And Lying Prone", page 5
A figure which falls assumes the prone position involuntarily and may do NOTHING next turn except (either) stand up or crawl, or attempt a spell.
That has nothing to do with injury and would even apply to someone tripping over a body during the Movement Phase.
Good point, "next turn" should mean "the turn after this turn", i.e. not "the next action this turn if you haven't acted yet".

OK, that makes sense to me. And, it does seem like getting knocked down ought be worse than just shifting one hex.
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Old 07-10-2018, 03:31 PM   #57
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zot - What is RAW?
Rules as written.
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Old 07-10-2018, 03:32 PM   #58
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What is RAW?
I had to ask the same question Rules As Written
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Old 07-10-2018, 03:32 PM   #59
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Default Re: Unarmed Combat - Question on UC v.

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Cloth only, per the note on UC I.

I can't parse that last sentence.
The intent was to require two empty hands. Will edit.
Again, if a fully armed and armored fighter defeats a martial artist, that's how it should be except maybe Bruce Lee UC V.
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Hi Steve,
My question was could I have a Nunchuck in one hand, have the other hand empty (free), and still use the UC v defensive abilities?

But you have answered the question, thank you!

Warm regards, Rick.
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Old 07-10-2018, 03:35 PM   #60
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Default Re: Unarmed Combat - Question on UC v.

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Hi Steve,
My question was could I have a Nunchuck in one hand, have the other hand empty (free), and still use the UC v defensive abilities?

But you have answered the question, thank you!

Warm regards, Rick.
Well it's canonical that Bruce Lee could do anything with a pair of nunchuks in each hand...
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