Steve Jackson Games - Site Navigation
Home General Info Follow Us Search Illuminator Store Forums What's New Other Games Ogre GURPS Munchkin Our Games: Home

Go Back   Steve Jackson Games Forums > Roleplaying > GURPS

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 04-20-2010, 11:46 AM   #1
Innerwall
 
Innerwall's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Oakland, CA
Default Callous with Sense of Duty

One of my players wants to make a character with both Callous and Sense of Duty (towards the rest of the party). I mulled it over a bit, and decided to allow it (my reasoning is delineated in my email to him, posted below). I was just wondering how more experienced GURPS players deal with this situation. As usual, I appreciate all of your feedback!

I've given it some thought and I think Callous will work if you want it, but like it says, you don't care about anyone's emotions or pain (including that of your fellow PCs). My only concern would be how this works with your Sense of Duty towards your fellow adventurers, and the only thing I can come up with is that your character has the general opinion that there is strength in numbers, and that trust is essential, but that emotions make people weak. Maybe subconsciously he feels a bond towards anyone who stands up for him. This would give you a Sense of Duty of -5 towards your fellow PCs. It puts you in an interesting and challenging role-playing position because you'll have to dance between showing that you'll do basically anything to protect them, while acting somewhat callous towards them at the same time.

Note that to decipher peoples' emotions you still need to take Psychology (rolls at -3 to actually help people). At times I may require a self-control roll to keep you from being callous in sensitive situations. Also, if you end up feeling like this Disadvantage is too confining, you can have the option of buying it off with the points you gain through adventuring, in order to reflect a 'change of heart'.
__________________
"If you want your children to be intelligent, read them fairy tales. If you want them to be more intelligent, read them more fairy tales."

~Albert Einstein~
Innerwall is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-20-2010, 11:51 AM   #2
Gold & Appel Inc
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: One Mile Up
Default Re: Callous with Sense of Duty

Quote:
Originally Posted by Innerwall View Post
I've given it some thought and I think Callous will work if you want it, but like it says, you don't care about anyone's emotions or pain (including that of your fellow PCs).
The above sounds about right to me. I'd say that the Callous PC will focus its efforts on the needs of its beneficiaries that do not involve pain and emotional distress, which would be good for the usual -1 reaction if the beneficiaries were NPCs because failing to give someone a hug because you were buying them groceries really isn't all that awful.
Gold & Appel Inc is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-20-2010, 11:55 AM   #3
Rocket Man
Petitioner: Word of IN Filk
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Longmont, CO
Default Re: Callous with Sense of Duty

"You know I'm only doing this for your own good ..."
__________________
“It's not railroading if you offer the PCs tickets and they stampede to the box office, waving their money. Metaphorically speaking”
--Elizabeth McCoy, In Nomine Line Editor

Author: "What Doesn't Kill Me Makes Me Stronger"
Rocket Man is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-20-2010, 12:12 PM   #4
Dorin Thorha
 
Dorin Thorha's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Default Re: Callous with Sense of Duty

My char Captain Mendiblis in this pbp has both Callous and Sense of Duty (and a Code of Honor). I play him as though his motivation for following his Sense of Duty isn't that he cares about the person so much as he has strict principles. IE, he doesn't care if they are hurting, but it wouldn't be good for his honor if they suffered while under his protection.
__________________
<><
Dorin Thorha is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-20-2010, 12:18 PM   #5
Xplo
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Default Re: Callous with Sense of Duty

An emotionless robot could recognize that by acting for the benefit of the other members of its group, it benefits the group, and therefore itself.

A sociopath might regard the other members of his group as useful tools - and, of course, it's wise to take care of your tools.
Xplo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-20-2010, 12:32 PM   #6
Mr_Sandman
 
Mr_Sandman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: L.I., NY
Default Re: Callous with Sense of Duty

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dorin Thorha View Post
My char Captain Mendiblis in this pbp has both Callous and Sense of Duty (and a Code of Honor). I play him as though his motivation for following his Sense of Duty isn't that he cares about the person so much as he has strict principles. IE, he doesn't care if they are hurting, but it wouldn't be good for his honor if they suffered while under his protection.
This sounds like Col. Casey from "Chuck.". He doesn't feel empathy for others, but his code makes him watch out for the others on his team. If a character has this situation and the code and sense of duty conflict (he gets an order to kill one of his team mates), it might not be clear what he will do.
Mr_Sandman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-20-2010, 12:34 PM   #7
David Johnston2
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Default Re: Callous with Sense of Duty

Quote:
Originally Posted by Innerwall View Post
One of my players wants to make a character with both Callous and Sense of Duty (towards the rest of the party). I mulled it over a bit, and decided to allow it (my reasoning is delineated in my email to him, posted below). I was just wondering how more experienced GURPS players deal with this situation. As usual, I appreciate all of your feedback!

I've given it some thought and I think Callous will work if you want it, but like it says, you don't care about anyone's emotions or pain (including that of your fellow PCs). My only concern would be how this works with your Sense of Duty towards your fellow adventurers, and the only thing I can come up with is that your character has the general opinion that there is strength in numbers, and that trust is essential, but that emotions make people weak. .
In the Lieutenant Leary series, the Badass Librarian and Aubrey ala Shatner both have servants who are vicious throat slitters who would regard their masters emotional pain as an excuse to ask "Can I kill them?". Their lack of empathy isn't in conflict with their loyalty even if they are more concerned with their leader's physical safety and image than they are with their emotional wellbeing.
David Johnston2 is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 04-20-2010, 12:38 PM   #8
whswhs
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Default Re: Callous with Sense of Duty

Quote:
Originally Posted by Gold & Appel Inc View Post
The above sounds about right to me. I'd say that the Callous PC will focus its efforts on the needs of its beneficiaries that do not involve pain and emotional distress, which would be good for the usual -1 reaction if the beneficiaries were NPCs because failing to give someone a hug because you were buying them groceries really isn't all that awful.
A nurse could have Callous and Sense of Duty: She will do whatever is needed to see that her patients survive, but if that causes them pain, that's not a big concern to her, so long as they don't thrash about and make it impossible for her to do whatever procedure will help them. It's a question of caring about the objective welfare of a person, but not about their subjective feelings.

Bill Stoddard
whswhs is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-20-2010, 01:01 PM   #9
SCHIFTY
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Boston area
Default Re: Callous with Sense of Duty

Another example -- Jayne from Firefly.
__________________
Sex is nobody's business but the three people involved. And the shop where they bought the equipment.
SCHIFTY is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-20-2010, 01:05 PM   #10
Innerwall
 
Innerwall's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Oakland, CA
Default Re: Callous with Sense of Duty

Quote:
Another example -- Jayne from Firefly.
That's exactly who I was thinking of, too.
__________________
"If you want your children to be intelligent, read them fairy tales. If you want them to be more intelligent, read them more fairy tales."

~Albert Einstein~
Innerwall is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Fnords are Off
[IMG] code is Off
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 01:39 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.9
Copyright ©2000 - 2021, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.