08-23-2022, 05:08 AM | #1 |
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CIA Ranks
I've been trying to figure out the CIA hierarchy to build a Rank Table, but I cannot find enough useful information.
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08-23-2022, 06:17 AM | #2 | |
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Re: CIA Ranks
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Qualifications for entry as an officer are a good bachelor's degree in a relevant subject, and there's a two-year training course before they actually start working at O-2 equivalent. The point cost of CIA rank is probably less than military rank, because they don't have lots of people to order around. Social Engineering has rules for evaluating this.
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08-23-2022, 01:40 PM | #3 |
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Re: CIA Ranks
For agencies like the CIA, there's two cases to consider: HQ and field agent.
For the HQ outside DC, I use Administrative Rank as-is, going by the number of subordinates. For field agents, I use Social Engineering: Pulling Rank based not on subordinates but on the support they can get from the agency during the operations.
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08-23-2022, 02:27 PM | #4 |
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Re: CIA Ranks
I put this in the article for Pyramid Schemes 1 on the Phoenix Program during the Vietnam War:
Level Intelligence Rank, CIA 5 CIA Chief of Station 4 Project Manager, Senior Officer 3 Case Officer 2 Paramilitary Officer 1 Secretary 0 Security Officer, Admin Clerk My reasoning was that is how the agency handled the postings at the district and province levels for the Phoenix Program. I also created these packages of skills for 1960s-era CIA officers assigned to Phoenix. Career Training Program (+6 points): The CIA’s 12-week basic training program for case officers at Camp Peary, Virginia. Administration (IQ/A) [1]; Expert Skill (Communism) (IQ/H) [1]; Intelligence Analysis (IQ/H) [2]; Research (IQ/A) [1]; Writing (IQ/A) [1]. Clandestine Services Training (+16 points): The CIA’s 18-week course in “advanced operational training” for case officers at Camp Peary. Acting (IQ/A) [1]; Detect Lies (Per/H) [1]; Diplomacy (IQ/H) [1]; Electronics Operation (Surveillance) (IQ/A) [1]; Fast-Talk (IQ/A) [1]; Filch (DX/A) [1]; Holdout (IQ/A) [1]; Guns (Pistol) (DX/E) [1]; Interrogation (IQ/A) [1]; Judo (DX/H) [1] or Karate (DX/H) [1]; Observation (Per/A) [2]; Photography (IQ/A) [1]; Shadowing (IQ/A) [1]; Stealth (DX/A) [1]; Urban Survival (Per/A) [1]. |
08-23-2022, 03:19 PM | #5 | |
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08-23-2022, 05:10 PM | #6 |
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Re: CIA Ranks
Do these Ranks follow "The Arithmetic of Rank" p.14, social engineering, or may you provide a brief description of their chain of command, if there is any?
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08-23-2022, 05:20 PM | #7 |
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Re: CIA Ranks
No. Pyramid Scheme is only in Kickstarter right now as far as I understand it.
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08-23-2022, 06:29 PM | #8 | |
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7: President 6a: Director of National Intelligence 6b: CIA Director 5: Deputy Director (one for each directorate) If you want spies, that's the Directorate of Operations. There's probably at least one more level between the DDO and a Chief of Station for SA Fisher's list (regions like "Asia" or "South America", I'd guess, but I don't actually know). Wiki puts the number of (public) employees at 21,575, so Rank 7 for the Director by the "Arithmetic of..." chart in Social Engineering. That system isn't really compatible with the Ranks used elsewhere, though, where heads of state are typically 7, with 8 being god-emperor or more SFnal empires. But you're free to scale the ranks however you find suited for the game and setting -- and you can even use different scales for different sorts of rank, so "CIA Rank" might have more levels than just plain "Rank" -- which might call for a lower cost per level, since it should cost less to be the head of the CIA than the head of the USA -- and the CIA Rank 7 Director is still subordinate to the Rank 6 DNI. That gets a bit confusing, though. Probably better to expand them all to the biggest scale necessary than to use different scales. My preference would just be to collapse rank levels (like I did with the 6a and 6b above), rather than try to give every level of an org chart its own number. Rank in most orgs often doesn't really rate a lot of CP, especially if there are a lot of levels, because even the big boss can't really just order anything done that they want just on a whim (see Social Engineering: Pulling Rank). If the costs for Rank get large, most players will just skip taking Rank in favor of more cost-effective traits. So, decide how important that Rank really is in your intended game. James Bond cares a lot less than Jack Ryan about their Rank, and Bond's Rank matters less to solving the problems his adventures present. |
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08-24-2022, 02:25 AM | #9 | |
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08-24-2022, 12:06 PM | #10 |
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Re: CIA Ranks
How is a secretary a rank? Perhaps I misunderstood you.
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