12-19-2022, 11:35 AM | #41 | |
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Re: Is there something about the slam rules I'm missing?
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Though under normal circumstances I'm not sure I'd want a fright check to see whether a skittish prey animal flees when faced with a scary predator, because why would they ever not? Unless they're doing something like defending their offspring as you say, running away would be their default behavior.
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12-19-2022, 12:21 PM | #42 | |
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Re: Is there something about the slam rules I'm missing?
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As for prey animals fleeing on a failed fright check, GURPS Animalia (when you have houserules turned on) assigns the Panic Disadvantages to a lot of prey species; this means many unexpected situations have a risk of causing you to flee in a blind panic (beating yourself against walls and similar if you have no way out), and has the side effect that most cases of being mentally Stunned (including from failed Fright Checks) automatically cause this response. Many animals take this a step further, with Panic Reflexes, which is essentially a lesser version of Combat Reflexes with Panic as a prerequisite.
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12-19-2022, 02:11 PM | #43 | ||
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Re: Is there something about the slam rules I'm missing?
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Alternately, a variation on the Sweep technique, but where the attack uses their body rather than a limb to take down their foe. Quote:
Even odds of success with Stealth-12 to 15 vs. Vision or Hearing 12-15 gives a failure rate of 50%. After that, any technique or attack which succeeds on a 6- (~9% total chance of success) with no defense allowed by the defender or 7- (~16% chance of success) vs. Dodge 9 (~37% chance of success) gets you into the right statistical area. Given that a big cat's initial attack is going to be devastating (~1d cut biting and/or claws + slam/pounce) and possibly provoke a Fright Check, combat is going to be one-sided unless the feline badly messes up its Grapple attack, the prey animal Breaks Free, and gets in a good kick or strike with its horns or teeth on its way to safety. As for Fright Checks, while getting stalked or chased by a predator, or seeing other animals (even "close friends or loved ones") getting killed, is "normal scary" for animals actually being the on the Menu Special is on another level. Animals which regularly get into scraps (anything with Combat Reflexes, or generally ornery like baboons, pigs, or cape buffalo) should be immune to Fright Checks if they're attacked by a predator unless they're Surprised. Animals who don't regularly engage in combat except for dominance fights might easily panic. I agree that "flailing" is usually a Break Free attempt, but sometimes you see a prey animal just give up if a predator's got it in a hopeless situation (i.e., pinned and with a solid grapple to throat or muzzle). This might be an attempt to Evaluate or conserve its energy, or the effects of Shock, but it could also be a failed Fright Check. Last edited by Pursuivant; 12-19-2022 at 02:29 PM. |
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12-19-2022, 04:36 PM | #44 | |
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Re: Is there something about the slam rules I'm missing?
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12-19-2022, 09:19 PM | #45 | |
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomson%27s_gazelle Wikipedia even mentions cheetahs as their principle predator. Weight is given as 30 to 35 kg for males and 15 to 25 kg for females. Only predators who attack in groups like lions go after prey bigger than they are. Sorry I didn't catch the 'impala" thing earlier.
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12-19-2022, 09:33 PM | #46 |
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12-20-2022, 02:03 AM | #47 |
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Or the occasional male that thinks they're tougher than they actually are - there are credible reports of adult male lions deciding it'd be a bright idea to ambush bull cape buffalo that are napping and have a go. It usually ends badly for the lion.
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12-20-2022, 07:47 AM | #48 |
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Re: Is there something about the slam rules I'm missing?
OR honey Badgers, cause they don't care.
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12-20-2022, 08:44 AM | #49 | |
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Re: Is there something about the slam rules I'm missing?
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Fright checks should definitely be linked to the perception of being in danger, which can be related to how accurately you assess the damage capabilities of opponents and your own defensive abilities. The basis here is distinguishing between "ordinary" frightening things (no fright check) and "so unusual and terrifying they might stun or star". It then goes on to tell us that what is ordinary depends on chars/setting which is basically waiving the issue. We're given the example that battle-hardened commanders don't need to roll for dead bodies - can we not reflect that somehow as an advantage? You get bonuses or penalties depending on the state of a dead body so it seems to me like the battle-hardened commander would just have a high will or fearlessness or even some kind of limited fearlessness which only applies to corpses but not to other stuff like ghosts/demons. It also seems like stuff like the 'heat of battle' bonus could be meted out in degrees. We have penalties for hordes of monsters and then a suggestion of anywhere from -1 to -10 ... are these free advantages for monsters who don't buy terror? There is a +1 preparation bonus with previous experience w/ a threat ... at what point does this take on a point value? Seems like item familiarity where it's an unstatted benefit. |
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12-20-2022, 09:01 PM | #50 |
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Re: Is there something about the slam rules I'm missing?
Possibly monsters causing Fright Checks isn't meant to apply to PCs unless they pay for Terror? (But it doesn't seem to say so). Otherwise it does seem weird. Terror seems to be basically the ability to force a Fright Check, and if this is the case, then PCs that are monsters get Terror (Always On, -20%) for free for being monsters. I checked for an Advantage of the Week thread for Terror, but that one seems to have been forgotten.
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