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Old 07-26-2009, 11:37 PM   #1
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Quick question.

How come that Sling is a P/H skill? Just wondering since we got Karate and Judo as P/H skills BUT they also have kicking or grappling along with various techniques and parry options. While Bow is a P/A skill, and Spear Thrower is also P/A skill.

Any ideas why Sling gets a P/H treatment? As I understand it Sling is not that hard skill to use, okay not the easiest weapon to aim precisely BUT should Acc of the weapon not represent that?

Your thought please.

PS: My personal opinion is that Sling should be P/A skill.
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Old 07-26-2009, 11:56 PM   #2
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It seems to be quite difficult to hit anything with a sling, or throw something far with a sling (not just 50 or 70 yards). And the people who used slings historically were mostly herders and small farmers with lots of spare time to practice using their nearly-free weapon (bows and arrows cost more than slings and smooth pebbles). So saying its harder to use than a bow or a spear thrower, which you at least point at the target, seems reasonable.
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Old 07-27-2009, 12:00 AM   #3
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Quick question.

How come that Sling is a P/H skill? Just wondering since we got Karate and Judo as P/H skills BUT they also have kicking or grappling along with various techniques and parry options. While Bow is a P/A skill, and Spear Thrower is also P/A skill.

Any ideas why Sling gets a P/H treatment? As I understand it Sling is not that hard skill to use, okay not the easiest weapon to aim precisely BUT should Acc of the weapon not represent that?

Your thought please.

PS: My personal opinion is that Sling should be P/A skill.
probably because there is not enough room in the accuracy span ?
sling are 0 (1 for staff sling)
bow are 1-3
Since, at equal level of skill, a short bow is definitively going to be more accurate than a staff sling, going p/h from p/a solve that.

Sling are very easy to use, if you want saturation fire.
To hit a specific target, sling require lots and lots of training.
Being a hard skill fit that, i guess.

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Old 07-27-2009, 12:02 AM   #4
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Compared to a sling, the bow and spear thrower are as dead simple as drowning when a crocodile holds you underwater.
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Old 07-27-2009, 12:06 AM   #5
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Compared to a sling, the bow and spear thrower are as dead simple as drowning when a crocodile holds you underwater.
I've heard the disparity was such that, despite being the superior and cheaper military weapon in ancient times, archers tended to dominate the battlefield simply because it was far easier to train archers than it was to train slingers.
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Old 07-27-2009, 01:21 AM   #6
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I've heard the disparity was such that, despite being the superior and cheaper military weapon in ancient times, archers tended to dominate the battlefield simply because it was far easier to train archers than it was to train slingers.
Yeah, to me thats telling.
I would think the cost and maintainence of Archery vs. sling would require a real good reason to favor archery over sling.
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Old 07-27-2009, 03:03 AM   #7
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The /Easy, /Average and /Hard progression is simplified and lacks the ability to properly distinguish in some cases. In the real world, a war bow is astronomically harder to learn to shoot accurately than a crossbow, but GURPS can only distinguish the two by a single point of skill. Guns are even easier than crossbows, which is not reflected in current rules. Slings, on the other hand, are non-intuitive to use and have no method of aiming but pure experience. Even war bows, which also cannot be aimed, are at least more intuitive in their use.

Im happy with the Sling at DX/Hard. I wish Bow skill were there too, to provide more of a contrast to Crossbow, but in that case, even more players would opt for the historically marginal slings over the historically popular bows (which I regard as negative). So in the absence of a hypothetical DX/Very Hard Sling skill, I guess the progression is fine as is.
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Old 07-27-2009, 10:46 AM   #8
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So in the absence of a hypothetical DX/Very Hard Sling skill, I guess the progression is fine as is.
I am actually a tad confused as to why this is "hypothetical". There's nothing in the 4e basic set to suggest that DX/VH is off limits somehow. It USED to be in 3e, when there was two different price progressions and difficulty lists for "Mental" and for "Physical" skill groups... but that got fixed up for 4e.

Are any of the martial arts chi skills DX/VH?
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Old 07-27-2009, 11:09 AM   #9
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Are any of the martial arts chi skills DX/VH?
A quick search says... all signs point to no.

Though there is an HT VH skill (Body Control), and a Per VH skill (Blind Fighting)
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Old 07-27-2009, 12:26 PM   #10
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All Imbuement skills are DX/VH. See Power-Ups 1: Imbuements.
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