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Old 08-15-2011, 08:59 AM   #1
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Default Arming Doublet with chain bits rather than padded?

If using ultra-realistic gaps in armor, arming doublets really come into use, but they only give DR 1.
What if I want more for those gaps but don't want to deal with layered armor and its skill penalty?
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Old 08-15-2011, 11:06 AM   #2
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Default Re: Arming Doublet with chain bits rather than padded?

The only thing that gives 1* is wearing padded armor under other armor, and that gives 1* everywhere and a -1 DX for layering.

Arming doublets give fine (edit, I meant light oops) mail (3/1*) under chinks, not 1* (and nothing anywhere else). That's from the errata - without the errata there's no mention of a specific DR benefit at all (the critical sentence got lost).
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Old 08-15-2011, 11:09 AM   #3
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Default Re: Arming Doublet with chain bits rather than padded?

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If using ultra-realistic gaps in armor, arming doublets really come into use, but they only give DR 1.
What if I want more for those gaps but don't want to deal with layered armor and its skill penalty?
The standard Arming Doublet covers the armpit and inner elbow with Light Mail, not with Padded Cloth. (The original text said mail but didn't specify what kind, the errata specifies light mail.)

Unfortunately it doesn't help you much to deconstruct and determine stats for a version with Fine Mail, or some form of arming trousers.
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Old 08-15-2011, 08:51 PM   #4
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Default Re: Arming Doublet with chain bits rather than padded?

I have no idea how I missed reading that. I read the first paragraph, and apparently wandered off dazed and confused.
But yeah, it would be nice if there were options to adjust for different levels of mail.
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Old 08-15-2011, 09:04 PM   #5
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Default Re: Arming Doublet with chain bits rather than padded?

You can extrapolate from the partial armour table. The entire elbow covers 5% so just the inside would be 2%. Shoulder armour covers 10% so just the armpit would be more like 5%.

Light mail voiders for the inside elbow would be $10, 0.24 lbs. and armpit would be $25, 0.6 lbs.

Fine mail inside elbows $18, 0.3 lbs., armpit $45, 0.75 lbs.

Subtract light mail voiders from the cost and weight of an arming doublet and add heavier ones.
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Old 08-15-2011, 09:16 PM   #6
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Default Re: Arming Doublet with chain bits rather than padded?

Would heavy mail also be possible, or is fine the heaviest that will fit?
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Old 08-15-2011, 09:18 PM   #7
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You can make a long-sleeved shirt from heavy mail so theoretically there shouldn't be any problem with voiders but the vast majority of surviving examples are lighter variants. I wouldn't allow jousting or banded mail or any other weave that reduces flexibility.
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