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Old 03-20-2024, 07:04 PM   #11
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Default Re: Dr. Elizabeth Dehner (Star Trek) in GURPS terms, 2262

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Also have you seen "Strange New Worlds"? The character of Una ('Number One') is fairly tall, and they have shown the other women starfleet characters as 'strong' or pretty darn good shape.
Point taken, but Una Chin-Riley isn't the best example, for spoiler reasons.

All the recent Paramount Star Trek shows are heavy on gender equality, so most of the female characters can bring the smackdown in unarmed or melee combat to varying degrees ranging from merely competent to Force of Nature.

ST 11 seems realistic for a tall human woman who's a serious gym rat or just naturally strong. The more fearsome human female fighter types in the current shows could have ST 12-13 and several levels of Striking ST in a more cinematic setting.
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Old 03-20-2024, 07:41 PM   #12
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Advantages: Beautiful [12]; Fit [5]; Rank 1 [5]; Unusual Background (Latent Psi Powers) [5]

Maybe drop Beautiful to Attractive for an 8 point savings.
Characters in television series are played by professional actors, who average significantly better looking than typical human beings; hence the phrase "Hollywood ugly." A character who is understood in the script to be ordinary looking is played by an actor or actress who's in the top 2%. So it's plausible to discount the appearance of any character who appears on camera.
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Old 03-20-2024, 07:58 PM   #13
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Apparently, it's entirely RAW to assume that a 5' 11" woman is as strong as a 5' 11" man if you want to simplify things, whether or not it's actually likely to be the case - Characters page 19.

Anyhow, what with all the genetic engineering experiments some time earlier - before that suddenly became very unfashionable indeed - the human gene pool in TOS might not be quite like it used to be, and between that, improved medicine, and Starfleet entry standards, slightly more awesome attributes might be likely even without considering style/'cinematic'ness, so an occasional ST 11 + Fit seems reasonable even on a female blueshirt.

What's the idea here? Qoltar seems to be doing this very slowly, for somebody who's usually running such a big campaign very expertly. Is he having difficulties doing the sheet and looking for advice, or is this just a kind of exercise for people to discuss?
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Old 03-20-2024, 08:07 PM   #14
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Pursuivant...

I am creating this NPC - it feels ike you're being condescending towards me...

More will be posted as I finish her.

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Old 03-20-2024, 08:33 PM   #15
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What's the idea here? Qoltar seems to be doing this very slowly, for somebody who's usually running such a big campaign very expertly. Is he having difficulties doing the sheet and looking for advice, or is this just a kind of exercise for people to discuss?
Real Life stuff interupted for more than half a day.

Oh she is/was 5',10" in height.

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Apparently, it's entirely RAW to assume that a 5' 11" woman is as strong as a 5' 11" man if you want to simplify things, whether or not it's actually likely to be the case - Characters page 19.
Sure. But I'm not disputing that. I'm just asking what assumption Qoltar is making.
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Old 03-20-2024, 09:53 PM   #17
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Oh she is/was 5',10" in height.

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I just looked and it's "was". Her dates were 1937-2022. The actress may well have been playing the character at least a few years younger than herself. This was common. Nichelle Nichols was 33 when TOS started.

I wouldn't se actor ages for characters in this case.
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Old 03-20-2024, 10:37 PM   #18
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One might assume that the survivors of the Eugenics War and WWIII are a bit above current era norms. Maybe one or both wars selected for stronger females. Also possible that TOS era parents can select kids with better but natural gene sets that yield superior physical attributes and mental abilities. "Those 40 million sperm suck, you want to use one of these 20 million sperm to best match with that egg."

From my memory of that episode, the stats as first presented seem fine.
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Old 03-20-2024, 11:02 PM   #19
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Real Life stuff interupted for more than half a day.

Oh she is/was 5',10" in height.

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Fair enough. Possibly, I just got thrown by you posting it in such small pieces and couldn't work out what you were doing at first - it looks like Pursuivant was too.
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Old 03-21-2024, 08:55 AM   #20
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Also possible that TOS era parents can select kids with better but natural gene sets that yield superior physical attributes and mental abilities. "Those 40 million sperm suck, you want to use one of these 20 million sperm to best match with that egg."
I dunno, that seems to cut rather close to "no genetic manipulation."
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