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You could add some more lift and/or striking by studying the right Martial arts styles. Some Arm ST too for Foot Archery. Arm ST is probably the most realistic or at least most common in the Real world. Not just in archers either. Para-athletes, gymnasts, arm-wrestlers and for just one arm tennis players and others who use one arm much more than the other. At TL10 Muscle Grafts are probably replaced by that muscle-boosting nanovirus talked about in the text of the grafts mod. It's not made explicit but I judge that muscles are among the "soft tissues" spoken of in the TL10 proteus virus section. As a Real World note, c. 10 years ago when we were playtesting Bio-tech (yes, I have been hanging around here that long and longer) I found a reference to the international body responsible looking for ways to uncover athletes improving their strength by using gene therapy to get better genes for building muscles. So we might be looking at a TL9 tech anyway and transplants of vat-grown muscles are retro-tech now. Like battlefield chemical lasers and maybe some other things I could name.
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09-11-2016, 04:46 PM | #22 |
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I wasn't making any claims, just describing comparisons.
I think world class lifters are using maxed out Lifting scores, Extra Effort rolls, "out of combat" set ups, and have specialized their bodies and muscles for specific lifts. I don't think for one second that you can extrapolate their freakish best to all aspects of strength or even "just" lifting strength. I don't think it needs to be said that your linked guy and most if not all other record holders have used steroids. Because OP did even mention steroids after all. Though I think we all agree that super strong people HAVE to be enormous just to contain all the muscle required, right? Gurps counts mass as a feature to avoid meta-gaming and complexity, but in reality it's quite important.
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Now known transgenic gene therapy where the markers don't exist in the human genome are a different story. Then you'd get the related issue of transgenic therapy that doesn't directly relate to strength or whatever is most important to the sport, but perhaps helps anyway like regenerative/regrowth enhancements. It would allow them to train harder with lower risk of crippling. Has there ever been a weightlifting contest where no one was wearing braces from recent injuries?
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One thing that may bear mentioning is that humans are 1/2 as strong as other primates when corrected for mass. We seem specialized for endurance and digestive efficiency. Cats are at the other end so you have a lazy zoo living man sized female tiger eating 5k Calories.
I imagine that if you only cared about strength, ultra tech could easily go that route. Leave the endurance enhancements to the other med techs. ;)
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09-11-2016, 07:17 PM | #25 |
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At a guess they would be looking for markers of the carrier for the gene therapy and not the good genes themselves. There was usually a retrovirus involved in those rather overoptimistic attempts at gene therapy back then.
....and somebody who'd had a different gene therapy could hypothetically generate a false positive. It's all worked out as hypothetical from the view of 10 years later. Still, it wouldn't be the first time someone's (probably) legit asthma medicine showed up on a test for stimulants.
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CRISPR and other direct nuclease editing techniques might be less detectable, but currently these therapies are on a cell-by-cell basis; having any measurable effect on bulk muscle development would require absurdly impractical time-spans (centuries probably). Last edited by sir_pudding; 09-12-2016 at 05:05 PM. |
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It's not particularly relevant to my argument though. The OP is asking for the highest possible human strength at TL 10--the answer to that question is going to start as a very large man with good genes for muscle building and work from there.
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Some of the events involved moving and/or carrying those massive weights too and thus would be Encumbrance + Move score rather than just a Lift number. Not at all the sort of thing that rewards specialization and it produced a relatively high percentage of winners under 300 lbs. The heaviest champion I can remember weighed 350 but he was 7' tall.
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Height is an interesting one, they need to be big to attach absurd amounts of muscle onto their skeletons but yeah over a certain point it seems to hinder peak performance. The sweet spot is probably between 6'2" to 6'6". Being short is a disadvantage on certain events as well, I think loading stones onto raised platforms favours taller competitors. |
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