How do they say "fighter", here?

[flyingwombat]

Originally Posted by hcobb

There has been a collapse in types of tactical aircraft post-war. Look at the retirement of "Interceptors" in favor of general purpose "strike fighters" since the 1970s.

F-22 => F/A-22 => F-22

The F-15 was originally, IIRC, intended to be an air superiority specialist. The Eagle first flew in 1972. Over time the F-15 become a multipurpose machine with developments such as the "strike eagle".

Of course there is the A-10. First flew in the '70s. No one can confuse that bird with being a dogfighter. ;-)

[The Colonel]

Originally Posted by flyingwombat

Of course there is the A-10. First flew in the '70s. No one can confuse that bird with being a dogfighter. ;-)

People who've flown against them describe them as handling extremely well - which coupled with them being a lot closer to the ground than the fighter pilots were happy with and having a low stall speed made them very hard to kill.

[jason taylor]

Originally Posted by Woodman

"Schlächter" as a non regional word would be considered by most germans as refering to a person who committed a massacre.

That is how it would often work in English.

[Darkwalker]

Originally Posted by flyingwombat

The F-15 was originally, IIRC, intended to be an air superiority specialist. The Eagle first flew in 1972. Over time the F-15 become a multipurpose machine with developments such as the "strike eagle".

Of course there is the A-10. First flew in the '70s. No one can confuse that bird with being a dogfighter. ;-)

Legend has it that in the F15 design office there was a banner reading "F15 - Not one pound for air to ground" when the Eagle was designed.

Don't know if that's true but MDD sure build an extremly good looking fighter. To bad the Lustwaffe didn't get a few while waiting for the Thyphoon to get ready.

As for the A10, they look "deadly" when coming at you during a nice morning in the german countryside. And they where quite silent and agile for a plane of their size/build

[Darkwalker]

Originally Posted by The Colonel

Better, surely than the RAF's attempt to re-build a Strike bomber as a high altitude interceptor. Thankfully the Tornado F3 is finally on its way out...

It did it's job. It was designed as a platform to lob radar guided missiles at Mr. Bear and the Tupolev twins, not as a plane to get up close and personal with MIG-29s. With the right RoE that works just nicely, even more so if an E3 Sentry is around

[Darkwalker]

Originally Posted by Pomphis

True. Oh, and germany also had Schlachtflugzeuge (battle planes) in WW2, the Hs 129. In german the Il-2 or the A-10 would also belong in that category.

And some Fw 190 variants (IIRC the F-series) where also rated as Schlachtflugzeuge. It's nickname "Würger" (Slayer/Strangler, actualy a bird species including Lanius excubitoroides) also matches

[The Colonel]

Originally Posted by Darkwalker

It did it's job. It was designed as a platform to lob radar guided missiles at Mr. Bear and the Tupolev twins, not as a plane to get up close and personal with MIG-29s. With the right RoE that works just nicely, even more so if an E3 Sentry is around

Radar guided? The damned things flew with Blue Circle radar* for about five years and never worked that well even when it was fitted. And we very nearly didn't buy the Sentry - they certainly arrived a long time after the ADVs went into service.
Still, the role as a range extender for missiles is a valid one - and these days it's a lot more valid now that AMRAAM and its siblings are on the market.


*cement ballast in the nose cone

[smurf]

German/English phrases can confuse Kampf to mean either Fight or Struggle.

Also 'Jagd' on German tanks (hull mounted main guns) were 'tank killers' or 'Assault Guns'.

E-boats (Eilboat) or Fast boat are either PT Boats (Patrol Torpedo (USA)) or MTBs (motorised torpedo boats (UK)).

Then we have Kreigsmarine, which opens up a whole can of worms...

Kreigsmarine - Navy Seaman

Marines are a specialist force in US and UK armies (and others since WW2)

Others are: Bridge Engineers, Rangers, Paratroops etc.

[Darkwalker]

Originally Posted by smurf

German/English phrases can confuse Kampf to mean either Fight or Struggle.

Also 'Jagd' on German tanks (hull mounted main guns) were 'tank killers' or 'Assault Guns'.

E-boats (Eilboat) or Fast boat are either PT Boats (Patrol Torpedo (USA)) or MTBs (motorised torpedo boats (UK)).

Then we have Kreigsmarine, which opens up a whole can of worms...

Kreigsmarine - Navy Seaman

Marines are a specialist force in US and UK armies (and others since WW2)

Others are: Bridge Engineers, Rangers, Paratroops etc.

Actually the E-Boat is a BRITISCH term (Enemy Boat). The boat referred to was mostly the Schnell-Boot (S-Boot) with Schnell meaning speedy, quick, fast (S-Boats are the often better armed/armored counterparts to a PT-boat)

Kriegsmarine means War Navy. The germans have no "Marines" those are called Seesoldaten (Sea/Sea borne Soldiers). And german Sailors are called Seemänner (Sea man) or (ironically) Sailors

JagdPanzer always means a dedicated tank-killer, the rest are assault guns or assault howitzers (Sturmgeschütz with Sturm in the sense of assaulting something, "Eine Festung stürmen" is "to assault a fortress"). While some assault guns can be used as tank-killers (The early versions only had the 75/L24 gun) it's gun-mount is also capabel of quite large elevations (A version of the Stug-3 mounted a 105mm howitzer) compared to an Jagdpanzer

Rangers are funny. Even post WWII. The term translates to Jäger. But german Jäger units in WWII and Cold War are simply light infantry

Germans don't use the term Engineer (or it's german counterpart Ingenieur) for their Combat Support troops. The units are called Pioniere with a speciality attached (Brücken-Pioniere for Bridges, Eisenbahn-Pioniere for Railroad etc.) The term "Combat Engineer" always causes Questions when playing Twilight with a new group

[Pomphis]

Originally Posted by Darkwalker

The germans have no "Marines" those are called Seesoldaten (Sea/Sea borne Soldiers). And german Sailors are called Seemänner (Sea man) or (ironically) Sailors

OTOH we have not just Army, but Armee and Heer. Heer is the entire land forces, equivalent to US Army, Heeresgruppe is an Army Group, and Armee an Army, though sometimes Armee is also used for a country´s land forces in general.