01-23-2021, 04:03 AM | #1 | |
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The "Tinker" fantasy trope or historical occupation?
The thread about "Cauldrons" prompted me to wonder about this prevailing theme in fantasy of the travelling "Tinker"
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Even as I said it, I started to wonder if this was actually a historical thing, or just a trope that has become so common it became its own fact. I can rationalize the idea, and it seems very reasonable. However I cant help wonder if it ever actually occured? Im not looking for a GURPS explanation, Im just curious about actual real history. This is purely a curiosity question on my part to our members that are more historically specialized than I am. I dont need it for a game Im running, nor will it alter my outlook on the world :) Im just curious, and have enough things going on (my own campaign/players deserve some attention that I have not given lately) that I cant spend the extra time to answer this right now. So I'm farming out my curiosity. Please and Thank you. |
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01-23-2021, 04:13 AM | #2 |
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Re: The "Tinker" fantasy trope or historical occupation?
This is definitely historical, with the word "tinker" going back as far as the thirteenth century.
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01-23-2021, 04:22 AM | #3 | |
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Re: The "Tinker" fantasy trope or historical occupation?
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Thank you for the response none the less. I was reading this post to my wife and she thinks is crazy that there is somewhere this is actually a discussion :) .... coming from the lady that will spend all day looking at pictures of peoples rooms, I'll just hod my tongue hehheh |
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01-23-2021, 07:54 AM | #4 |
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Re: The "Tinker" fantasy trope or historical occupation?
Yes it was according to german Wiki Version, I add the link just in case, the so called Rückenkrämer also known as " Kiepenkerl " after the basket they used freely translated into back merchants used a " Reff "
a carrying device to transport their goods. I couldn´t descript it even the translator failed the task. The person shown in the photo at the german entry is carrying such a device on his back. According to the german Wiki it goes back at least until medieval ages. I found a picture of a historical statue in the english Wiki including the english name but no further entry, it shows the typical basket and other common accessoirs. Here are both links. https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buckelkr%C3%A4mer (German ) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiepenkerl ( english ) Just to add further info one of the many historical books I read dated this back at least to the copper age. Both entrys need a lot of polish. |
01-23-2021, 08:24 AM | #5 | |
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Re: The "Tinker" fantasy trope or historical occupation?
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Sources in even Old to Middle English are highly limited due to the comparative lack of surviving materials. If you really want to go back to TL2 in Europe you're going to be looking for Latin writings.
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01-23-2021, 09:39 AM | #6 |
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Re: The "Tinker" fantasy trope or historical occupation?
Traveling smiths were recorded as far back as the Bronze Age, if I remember correctly, as there was not enough demand for metalwork in villages to support a permanent local smith. As metalwork became more common, traveling smiths usually became more specialized, as the local smith might only deal with iron and steel while the traveling smith might deal with softer metals. In either case, they would also be merchants, carrying wares of the types of metals that they deal with.
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01-23-2021, 09:44 AM | #7 |
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Re: The "Tinker" fantasy trope or historical occupation?
No GURPS content
Just "historical" feedback - we were always told my great-grandfather was a tinker but then again this was locally synonymous with gypsy, or horse traders, travelling folk, and even just being Jewish but we're talking 1880s in a region that didn't have running water for another 70yrs. So, "tinkers" were, and by some definitions are, real - come see the horse fairs and mind your manners 😁
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01-23-2021, 01:24 PM | #9 |
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Re: The "Tinker" fantasy trope or historical occupation?
I have seen a modern, professional, mobile knife-sharpener within the last few years.
I was living in Portugal. Every now and then I would hear an odd, tuneless whistling from the street below, but I was never sure what it was. One day, I happened to be leaving my apartment as the player came by. It was a man pushing a modified bicycle. No longer ridable, the pedals instead drove a knife-sharpening wheel. He was playing a simple wind instrument of some kind to advertise his presence as he walked down the street. He was clearly not wealthy at it, but it was also obviously at least a part-time gig for him. If he can make a living doing it today, I would certainly think someone could do the same in earlier centuries. |
01-23-2021, 02:55 PM | #10 |
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Re: The "Tinker" fantasy trope or historical occupation?
Aside from tinkers (doing small repairs and metalworking) and peddlers (selling small domestic things like pins or buttons or cloth or ribbons or knives) there were also wandering shoemakers according to the Museum of London Shoes and Pattens book. Stop when its late in the day and you find someone who needs a new pair of shoes, measure their feet, have dinner and bed and breakfast at their house, finish the shoes in the morning and hand then over for a penny or something the shoemaker needs.
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