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 07-22-2024, 01:19 PM #1 pzmcgwire     Join Date: May 2018 Min ST penalties Legacy ITL says that if you lack the ST required for a weapon (excepting crossbows): If your ST is less than that required for the weapon you are using, your DX is -1 for each ST point you lack, and the damage done is -1 for each 2 ST (round damage down) that you lack. So how does the round down work? If you are 1 ST less, is damage at -1? If 3 ST less, is damage at -2 or -1? Now for Crossbows, damage is not changed, but the -1 DX penalty for every ST point lacking remains.
 07-22-2024, 02:30 PM #2 hcobb     Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Pacheco, California Re: Min ST penalties The final damage is rounded down towards negative infinity. So lacking 3 ST is -2 damage and -3 DX. C.f. the Flinger article at TFT Companion page 15. Hopefully I'll make the Professional thief takes down Flinger video soonish. __________________ -HJC
 07-22-2024, 04:53 PM #3 Steve Plambeck   Join Date: Jun 2019 Re: Min ST penalties I beg to disagree with Henry. What is called for (in determining the damage penalty) is taking the number of ST points you are short (say 3) dividing it by 2 (resulting in 1.5), and rounding that result down (dropping the .5) resulting in this case for a penalty of 1. A better way all such rules could be worded is to say "For every 2 whole entire points you are short (or ahead), apply a penalty (or bonus) of 1." Use of the word "round" can be ambiguous depending on sentence structure, but to say "for every 2 whole points" or "for every 3 whole points" is always clear. __________________ "I'm not arguing. I'm just explaining why I'm right."
07-22-2024, 06:15 PM   #4
pzmcgwire

Join Date: May 2018
Re: Min ST penalties

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 Originally Posted by Steve Plambeck I beg to disagree with Henry. What is called for (in determining the damage penalty) is taking the number of ST points you are short (say 3) dividing it by 2 (resulting in 1.5), and rounding that result down (dropping the .5) resulting in this case for a penalty of
So a character with 1 ST below the minimum would have no damage penalty then if we round down.

I agree that this rule could have been worded more precisely.

Last edited by pzmcgwire; 07-23-2024 at 08:07 AM.

07-23-2024, 12:32 AM   #5
Steve Plambeck

Join Date: Jun 2019
Re: Min ST penalties

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 Originally Posted by pzmcgwire So a character with 1 ST below the minimum would have no damage penalty then if we round down.
That is correct!
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 07-23-2024, 04:18 AM #6 hcobb     Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Pacheco, California Re: Min ST penalties At ITL 107 it is the damage and not the modifier that is rounded down so lacking 1 ST means -1 to the damage the weapon does. __________________ -HJC
 07-23-2024, 06:35 AM #7 Bill_in_IN   Join Date: Dec 2021 Location: Indiana Re: Min ST penalties I agree with Henry. Per ITL, the resultant damage is rounded down. The modifier is not rounded down that would result in a little more damage. At least, that's what the logic of the verbiage used indicates. Now, if one thinks that this is too draconian of an interpretation, GMs can house rule it the direction that Steve stated. I don't think that it would disrupt the balance of the TFT universe provided that it is applied consistently.
07-23-2024, 06:40 PM   #8
Steve Plambeck

Join Date: Jun 2019
Re: Min ST penalties

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 Originally Posted by Bill_in_IN I agree with Henry. Per ITL, the resultant damage is rounded down. The modifier is not rounded down that would result in a little more damage. At least, that's what the logic of the verbiage used indicates.
I still have to disagree Bill, because the damage assigned is always 1, 2, 3, etc. -- it's what you're determining (determining last). You can't round down a whole number!

It's the modifier (ST amount you are short divided by 2) that can result in a fraction whenever the ST difference is an odd number.
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07-23-2024, 06:41 PM   #9
pzmcgwire

Join Date: May 2018
Re: Min ST penalties

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 Originally Posted by Bill_in_IN Per ITL, the resultant damage is rounded down.
When do you ever round damage down since damage rolls usually results in integer numbers?

The only time damage is halved is when "pulling" blows for non-lethal combat.

I guess I don't understand why that verbiage "(round damage down)" is even there unless it refers to the rounding the lack of ST's damage effect per what Steve said.

 07-24-2024, 08:48 AM #10 hcobb     Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Pacheco, California Re: Min ST penalties It's 2d minus one half, rounded down. Which is simply 2d-1 __________________ -HJC

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