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Old 07-11-2014, 12:05 AM   #271
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Drifter. How would Texas have delt with the tendency of a nation founded on seccession to break apart?

Georgia on failed to seccede from the Confederacy because Sherman marched through it. How would Texas, nearly the size of France, stay in one piece?
Technically the US seceded from England so I don't think this is a given as a problem. Texas had their Mexican Empire (French) troops, so they were able to sue for peace separately. Lincoln wouldn't have allowed an independent Texas, but Johnson was keen on getting things back to pre-War conditions, basically letting them reinstate their old leadership. In the chaos this caused Texas is able to stay independent.

I'm including a larger Texas, extending down the Gulf coast, so there is that part to consider. I'm guessing in the short run the French/Mexican Empire people help cement in a true ruling aristocracy. So maybe individual areas are ruled by Mayors/Barons, with multiple layers of commoners/peasants/serfs/slaves beneath them, divided by class and race. The jockeying around in that social strata would sap a lot of energy, so there is less tendency for areas to say "screw this" and go on their own, or go back into the US or Mexico.

Further out timewise if Texas has no alliances worth mention (Britain and France have pretty much retreated to lick their wounds, offering words of support but little else), then things look bleak.

Unless some new ideology sweeps the land. Marxism takes hold in Britain, after their umpteenth revolt, the Party replacing the old aristocracy. Soon it is exported to beleaguered Texas, along with China, Cambodia, etc. "Red as a West Texas Sunset" can be a condemnation or praise, depending on who is saying it.
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Indeed, secession is the American way.

Astromancer forgot about the Revolution, I guess.

Or maybe he means that the United States have a tendency towards secession?

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Old 07-11-2014, 02:06 PM   #273
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Indeed, secession is the American way.

Astromancer forgot about the Revolution, I guess.

Or maybe he means that the United States have a tendency towards secession?
Compared to Mexico, which has had several civil wars and wars of secession both successful and otherwise, I'd say the USA has had little tendency to secession.
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Old 07-11-2014, 02:12 PM   #274
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Unless some new ideology sweeps the land. Marxism takes hold in Britain, after their umpteenth revolt, the Party replacing the old aristocracy.
Try this idea. Britain sends a expeditionary force to force the USA to accept the independence of the CSA and there's a Marxist revolt. Louis Napoleon sends troops to England to help them crush Marxists and democrats! This action enrages the British people. Victoria says stupid things in the heat of anger and they get reported in the times. Both French and British troops commit atrocities and the whole British nation is up in arms.

From here you can either go to a Marxist Britain or to a Absolutist Monarchy Britain.
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Old 07-14-2014, 01:15 PM   #275
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Try this idea, the Spanish Flu , which in our world killed between 3% to 6% of the world's population, somewhere between 50 and 100 million people, is worse by far on this Q5 world.

Fifteen percent of the world's people die. And to make it more brutal, the flu pandemic revisits once or twice a decade until 1993. It is now 2013. The world population is around 900,000,000 to just under a billion. The west has been on the edge of TL7 for a decade, but the econnomy is stagnant.

The great colonial empires still exist, other than Ireland and India gaining "homerule" most of the political map of the world is much like 1920. Europe, except for the U.K., Sweden, Denmark, Norway, Finland, Czechoslovakia, Switzerland, and the Netherlands, is fascist and culturally sagnant. Even the democracies are CR4 and rigid classbound societies. The Near East is apolitical, apathetic, as is Africa and most of Asia.

The U.S.S.R. is grimly socialistic. Stalin died in the 1925 flu pandemic (as did Hitler and Franco) but the Soviet experiment still ended up grim. However, this world's U.S.S.R. isn't as brutal or repressive as either our world's U.S.S.R. or this timelines Fascist states.

Latim America and the Carribean is sunk into poverty, corruption, and ecconomic paralysis.

Weirdly the bright spots are in New Zealand, the U.S.A., Canada, and Australia.

In each of these countries there have been surprising recent changes. The biggest shock is a Thorium Reactor! Homeline agents that have seen the reactor say that it seems to be a divergent tech path (TL7+2), clean and efficient. How such a device showed up in this world is beyond explanation.

Stanger still, New Zealand has an Electron Microscope. In our world the technology was pioneered in Germany in the 1930's (the Nazi's never saw the potenial), but the inventor died young in this world. Wilder yet, the New Zealander's have describe the Flu virus.

Keyesian Eccomics weren't invented in this world either (Keynes died in 1919) but Keynesian ecconmics is in fashion in Washington, Canberra, Wellington, and Ottawa.

Someone is manipulating this world for their own ends. Can your PCs find out who?
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Old 07-14-2014, 01:28 PM   #276
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What's so strange about New Zealand having an electron microscope (presumably building the first practical one), especially at TL7? The first practical electron microscope in the real world was built in Canada at the University of Toronto in 1938 (TL6). (Well, TL6 by 3e, anyway.)

If they have a practical electron telescope, being able to describe the flu virus doesn't seem much of a stretch.
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And thorium reactors are of the same vintage as uranium reactors. The only reason OTL went with uranium reactors is because we could get plutonium out of them (and into bombs) when designed for such a byproduct.

Would the British Caribbean possessions have been combined into a single administrative region in this timeline? With the depopulation caused by the many epidemics, it would make sense to reduce the number of people in administrative positions.
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Old 07-14-2014, 10:35 PM   #278
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A two-world skerry; Both suffered limited nuclear exchange (via aircraft bombs) in 1951. The actual divergence point was at least ten years earlier; apparently WW2 went on slightly differently, and nuclear weapon secrets were better-kept in one, more poorly-kept in the other. The current date is 2014, just over 50 years after the "third world war."

In one (nuke-A), the USA bombed the USSR by plane, then followed up with a "liberation" of the subcontinent. China was granted large portions of Russia in exchange for cooperation.

In the other (nuke-S), the USSR attacked the USA first, with the goal of attaining grain and coal supplies. Pacification of Europe followed gradually, using the unsubtle threat of nuclear weaponry.

Both worlds are suffering from lingering radioactive fallout, but because most attacks were focused on command centers, there wasn't a serious ecological collapse (though harvests were poor in both timelines for some decades, and radiation is a common threat seen to be about as serious as old land mines).

Nuke-A is dominated by the United States; other nations exist as mere appendages. The fifty years following WWIII saw the US continue its aggressive policies, including the use of tactical nuclear weapons (MAD no longer being relevant). The USA's internal politics stagnated; the only change was a reactionary response to counterculture radicals, whom were often jailed, beaten, or tortured as potential terrorists.

As of 2014, technology has advanced somewhat (though areospace tech is actually quite crude, since neither a space race nor a missile gap spurred the development of better aircraft or rockets, leaving the world in a low TL8 except for mid TL7 areospace). The gradually increasing need for surveillance lead to the development of DARPAnet and sequential government computer networks; computers alone are a highly refined TL8 burgeoning on TL9. Russia is one of the client states of the US, and it is a barely-functioning, still-radioactive (in places) kleptoracy.

Nuke-S saw the rise of a Soviet world state. Without MAD, the USSR took control of Europe, and with the resources and industry of the USA (captured over 15 years of nuclear-enhanced warfare), they kept a working economy running. The following 50 years saw increasing unrest and a flagging economy until the development of special economic zones, which function like free markets in pretty much all but name. Meanwhile, the secret police and culture guardians ensure that history is remembered "correctly": Stalin is seen as a hero, and the sole inventor of modern communism.

As of the present day, technology is mostly a high TL7. Computers remain massive mainframes; the US and Great Britain lost many great thinkers who otherwise would have entered the field. Of note is the World Socialist State Space Program, a somewhat effective industry that is working with advanced TL8+1 designs; nuclear rocket engines are occasionally used, although not over populated areas. Despite this, the average citizen isn't quite as wealthy as they are in Nuke-A.

So far, so normal. however, these two worlds are tied together. Some parachronic researchers believe that the simultaneous use of so many nuclear bombs at the same time caused a crosstime "fusion" of some kind. Others believe that whatever caused the worldlines to fuse also triggered the nuclear wars by changing elements of their histories; or, perhaps, they were already connected somehow and the war on one world triggered the war on the other. Regardless- these two worlds are connected by thousands of stable and semi-stable portals. 50% of them are in intensely radioactive locations (that is, radioactive in both world-lines, such as Berlin), and most of the remainder are radioactive on one end or the other. The first was only discovered in December of 2012, two years before the present date. At the time they were an urban legend and a mystery, only stumbled into by scavengers and foolhardy people seeking shelter in ruins.

Six months later, fringe scientists and cultists started to seek them out, as the more accessible portals were discovered. Around this time, Nuke-A started to take these reports seriously due to computer network monitoring picking up on the traffic. It took three more months for Nuke-B's secret police to start seeking these portals out.

First contact between Nuke-A's and Nuke-S' respective governments took place in June 2013, at a fairly safe portal in an Egyptian cave. It was not cordial, although both sides attempted to feign cooperation. The biggest threat: Nuke-A has a slight head start on understanding the portals, and has a narrow intelligence lead on Nuke-S, but Nuke-S has extremely effective ICBMs and anti-aircraft systems, and so far, although no portals have been discovered in the atmosphere, calculations show that at least one must exist in orbit. After the meeting, the portal was sealed at both ends with only a signal cable passing through a double-thickness concrete wall.

The past year has been a campaign of espionage and secrecy. Both sides have a few spies on either side, and both sides are keeping the existence of the portals secret. Of course, both sides also consider the other to be a militantly genocidal psychopathic tyranny... not that either one is especially wrong...

Outtime operations are complex. On the one hand, it's very difficult to work here, on the other, this place has some of the most interesting naturally-occurring crosstime activity anywhere, and it's safer (more technologically primitive) than some places. Imagine what stable portal technology could do for us against the other side!

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Old 07-15-2014, 10:26 AM   #279
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What's so strange about New Zealand having an electron microscope (presumably building the first practical one), especially at TL7? The first practical electron microscope in the real world was built in Canada at the University of Toronto in 1938 (TL6). (Well, TL6 by 3e, anyway.)

If they have a practical electron telescope, being able to describe the flu virus doesn't seem much of a stretch.
New Zealand never lacked for brainpower, but in this world the population of New Zealand is about half a million and most of the university bound students still go to England. It's odd that the remaining scientists would invent something so important and describing the flu virus was (in our world at least) tricky.
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Try this idea. The chunk of ice that caused the Tunguska Event lands somewhere else and at a different time.

A) Mecca 2003, if this happens at the right time most of the Islamic war goes nuts. An Islamic league to crush the West might give you an interesting dark campaign.

B) Washington DC 1946, this could lead to several decades of chaos. Certainly the Civil Rights movement would be delayed and the Cold War would be minimal. This world would have at least a Soviet dominated Eurasia.

C) Berlin 1935, if Hitler is in Berlin, no second World War until Stalin launches one. If Hitler is outside of Berlin, changing the German capital would have several knock-on effects. Hitler always felt Berlin looks down on him and that he couldn't do certain things until he'd done them in Berlin first. So this could be a nastier world.

D) Moscow 1946, if Stalin is caught, no Cold War. On the other claw, far less anti-communism too. A very different world.

E) London 1900, the political system of Europe would collapse early. With the UK crippled Germany smashes France and then turns around and smashes Czarist Russia. The Kaiser rules Europe and helps himself to the Levant, India, and much of Africa. Germany gets the reputation the USA has today, only they earn it.

F) The American South sometime after 1954. Basically line up a group of right-wingers at a major event in the South and blast the politcal leadership of segragation out of existance. Civil Right proceeds more quickly at first. The backlash would come later, but much of the ground would have changed before any resistance could solidify.

Who do you blast out of existance?
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