10-19-2021, 08:39 AM | #1 |
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Water Jet damage
Can someone clear up an issue for me. Reading the description of the various jet spell descriptions, it seems like water jet does crushing damage *in addition to* knockback. Am I reading this right? I have the 1st printing of 4th ed Magic and saw no corrections in the errata.
I am largely basing this on the fact that Snow Jet in the blue Cost section lists "The jet does 1d of knockback for every point put into it." Water Jet says in the same blue Cost section "Does 1d damage for each point put into it." The main text of the spell states "It does knockback to all targets, and damage to creatures of flame; it can kill or knock down flying swarm creatures." Does this mean the 1d damage only applies to creatures of flame? Seems like it but I wanted some clarification. Snow jet says the same, but it's blue Cost section lists the damage differently. |
10-19-2021, 08:48 AM | #2 |
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Re: Water Jet damage
That's the way I'd interpret it: 1d of damage, knockback only except versus fire elementals, etc.
Snow Jet should also probably harm fire elementals, come to think of it.
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10-19-2021, 01:10 PM | #4 | |
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Re: Water Jet damage
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So being very hot water means it does more damage to very hot things. Actually, steam of the sort of pressure that would cause knockback would be doing cutting damage, not burn damage unless quite diffuse (but then it wouldn't penetrate heavy clothing, let alone armour). OTOH, this is no more weird than the way magical lightning works.
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10-19-2021, 09:56 PM | #5 | |
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Re: Water Jet damage
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Unless the GM is willing to do a major overhaul to make spells from different colleges consistent in their effects, it's best to ignore foolish notions such as "consistency," "logic," or "laws of physics." It is magic, after all! If the GM does do an overhaul, they need to look at game effects of a given vs. energy cost first, so that spells with equivalent prerequisite counts are approximately similar in effectiveness. For example, jet spells that do more damage than normal need to have drawbacks which make them slightly less desirable, while spells that do less damage need to have one or more benefits. |
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10-20-2021, 12:19 AM | #6 |
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Re: Water Jet damage
I figure it means it operates as "No wounding" unless you are made of fire.
I don't really like that though... isn't the whole reason fire creatures have Vulnerability x 2 from water attacks so that -100 +100% = taking damage from normally undamaging things? |
10-20-2021, 09:49 AM | #7 |
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Re: Water Jet damage
Eh, I don't know, not having actually tried it or done the maths I don't know what happens if you squirt boiling water at a fire. Could go either way. Evaporation is a thing.
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10-20-2021, 09:55 AM | #8 |
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Re: Water Jet damage
It's not 'boiling water' it's steam hot enough to do a significant amount of burning damage.
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10-20-2021, 02:17 PM | #9 | |
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Re: Water Jet damage
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https://www.fireengineering.com/lead...th-steam/#gref Not a definitive answer, but one of the better ones I found, most of which point to the same conclusion. If magical steam is virtually injected into a firey creature, then it's not unreasonable to suggest it would be damaging due to the water content.
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10-20-2021, 05:51 PM | #10 | |
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Re: Water Jet damage
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If it wasn't magical, and thus following such rules as 'it's made from water, so it hurts things of fire' rather than physics as we understand it, it should be doing cutting damage and be invisible.
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