09-21-2022, 04:24 PM | #21 | |
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In turn, the great slave tended estates had come about because of the near extinction of Roman peasant class in the Punic Wars. The question being, if agriculture is largely performed by serfs, what function do chattle slaves perform? Mining would be obvious - it was traditionally an industry that consumed vast quantities of slaves - otherwise, are they a purely urban institution? Meanwhile, does anyone know the reason behind the imperial edict against emancipation? What was the tradition before the edict? As for slavery outliving serfdom in real life - as I understand it, it was more a case of slavery being re-introduced by invading tribes (and then replaced by serfdom again)... |
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09-21-2022, 06:32 PM | #22 | |
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Sadly slavery was legal in some nations through history until the 1990s africa has a long history of slavery and that was before and after the arab slave trade and surely a much longer period than the classic slave trade we learn in schools. While slavery is forbidden now worldwide, there are hints that in some regions slavery is still in use. Itīs a bit problematic to get your rights and freedom if the local judge, the police chief and the military captain are on the other side... . Especially if the gouvernment is far away. Mostly that are failed states, under the last nations officially giving up slavery were 3 african nations. At least one of them has reports about local spots still using slavery. On top of that we have of course the problem that if a nations undergoes turmoil, warlords and bandits have there own version of "law". Often reintroducing slavery. Last edited by Willy; 09-22-2022 at 04:09 PM. Reason: spelling error |
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09-22-2022, 05:24 AM | #23 | |
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I'm taking the state of Megalosian law from BANESTORM at p 42: "In all lands, slavery is for life, though outside Megalos slaves may be freed by their owners, and Islam encourages this." (Emphasis added.) And also see p 96 on the city of Teridar: "One regular event is the Libertatum, in which four slaves battle each other for potential freedom. The Earl petitions the Emperor to release the victor petitions which somehow never succeed." As to where this harshness comes from, I suspect that an early Emperor decided that a clear distinction had to be made between those who owned and those who were owned. Or this being Megalos it could just have been sheer evil bloody mindedness.
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09-22-2022, 06:02 AM | #24 |
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Re: [BANESTORM] Ending slavery in the Evil Empire
If the Demon Emperor touched the subject at all, he'll have done so by reaffirming tradition, if he had any sense.
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09-22-2022, 06:33 AM | #25 | |
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But the primary reason is probably For Teh Evulz (which some of the above overlap with as well). Another possibility is that, if manumission was ever a thing in the empire, back then there were a lot of instances of people using their slaves as soldiers in various flavors of civil unrest, promising the slaves freedom if victorious. It's harder to get your slaves to go into battle for you if they'll still be slaves regardless of the result.
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09-22-2022, 07:19 AM | #26 |
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Megalos has four different kinds of slavery... though birth and capture are pretty close. The law on them is likely to be quite different.
I wonder if most "slaves by choice" are really indentured servants. Page 59 indicates that christians aren't allowed to enslave other christians, but that indentured servitude is permitted. So most slaves by choice would be required by church law to be indentured instead. Those can be freed, of course, though perhaps only at the end of their service. I'm not sure if "you can't free a slave" applies to them... maybe you could turn them loose in the middle of their service. On the other hand, they could twist the law to say you have an obligation to that slave and thus cannot free them... I can see nasty abuses with either version of the law. Slaves by Law are excommunicated criminals. They are owned by the crown, so "you can't free them" usually won't apply, because it sounds like the emperor usually doesn't sell them. They're also the defacto prison system. These might not be people you want to free willy-nilly, though you could certainly move their status away from "death by hard labor", and the emperor certainly has the authority to do that without too much trouble. Slaves by capture are largely foreigners, non-christians captured in war or by professional raiders. Slaves by birth most likely come from this population. This is where the "you can't free a slave" applies most strongly. Its probably also the most typical "slave" of megalos. The logic is probably you don't want these foreign infidels running free in your country. This is of course ignoring that the slaves by birth have little connection to their "homeland", and ignoring conversion, and many other little inconvenient details... you know, the way oppressive systems tend to pick the worst of both options and ignore the contradictions. The easiest way to start freeing slaves is by leveraging those inconsistencies.
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There's a lot that needs reforming in the new Emperor's in tray and even more that just hasn't been done properly.
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09-22-2022, 01:33 PM | #30 |
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I don't think Megalos' legal system will be very supportive of that idea for slaves.
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