TK and Telegraphing attacks...

[Gudiomen]

Originally Posted by Ulzgoroth

Well, I can't really draw at point-blank range with my own hands, but I think some people do do a degree of drawing without looking...

I draw a lot, I'm pretty decent at it, although I wouldn't call myself a professional, it's better than a lot of art I've seen around. As an amateur artist I can tell you that it's not "binary". Reality is rarely "binary". The loss of information from vision to brain is massive, every inch closer represents masses of information you don't loose. It makes a big difference.

In drawing, you often find yourself bending over the paper to see closely. And if distance made no difference, why would we have "zoom" features in drawing programs.

You take darkness penalties in melee, which is ENTIRELY because of visibility. You can still see the target, quite well from -6 up. Yet, the lack of discernment costs you skill.

Unfortunately, I can't argue much more. You have assumed the posture that visibility or perception of the target is all or nothing ("binary" as you say) and that intermediate states are completely irrelevant. This is contrary to a lot of evidence in the rules in general. Frankly, I'd understand better if you were arguing from the purely rules perspective of "it doesn't say there's a range penalty, so there isn't". But you're entitled to your position, even if I clearly disagree and think your logic is flawed.

Originally Posted by Kyra

I don't get all the arguing... i remember a spell in Magic 3rd: Distant Blow (not sure it's in 4th as well, but i guess so) that let's you hit a far away opponent with melee attacks.. with range penalties. Seems very linear to me, and i always used such penalties in all my TK experiences and no one ever felt abused or tricked.

Yup, this is true for 3e Distant Blow, which seems the exact same thing as TK blows. I refrained to using this as an example because it's 3e and because it had, if I remember correctly, questionable defenses (defenses didn't take range into account, I think). Edit didn't know it existed in 4e, so there you have it.