metal shields

[dripton]

Basic has iron shields. Double weight and cost and HP, +3 DR.

Dungeon Fantasy calls them dwarven shields, and also adds +1 to their shield bash damage. Cumulative with +1 for a spike if you have one.

Martial Arts says that you can sharpen the edge of a metal shield and use it for swing-2 cutting damage.

So if you're using both DF and MA, and you sharpen the edge of a dwarven shield, does that swing-2 cutting damage get +1 for bashing with a dwarven shield? Or does only the traditional crushing kind of shield bash get +1 from a dwarven shield?

Also, if a metal shield has both a sharp edge and a spike, and you hit with the edge for cutting damage, do you get +1 for the spike? (I think the answer to this one is obvious, but I figured I'd ask it just for completeness.)

Thanks.

[Crakkerjakk]

Originally Posted by dripton

So if you're using both DF and MA, and you sharpen the edge of a dwarven shield, does that swing-2 cutting damage get +1 for bashing with a dwarven shield? Or does only the traditional crushing kind of shield bash get +1 from a dwarven shield?

I'd rule you could bash at sw-1 with the edge.

Originally Posted by dripton

Also, if a metal shield has both a sharp edge and a spike, and you hit with the edge for cutting damage, do you get +1 for the spike? (I think the answer to this one is obvious, but I figured I'd ask it just for completeness.)

No. You're correct, the answer is obvious. ;-)

[davidtmoore]

Originally Posted by Crakkerjakk

I'd rule you could bash at sw-1 with the edge.

I disagree. The +1 appears to arise from the fact that the shield's made of metal. The Martial Arts optional rule stipulates that this must be done with a metal shield. So just the Swing-2 for my vote.

[Phantasm]

Originally Posted by dripton

Basic has iron shields. Double weight and cost and HP, +3 DR.

On a tangent, what effect does other metals have on shield? For example: Bronze, TL3/4 Steel, higher-quality TL5/6 Steel, or TL7+ Titanium Steel alloy?

This isn't counting the thick aluminum garbage can lid as an improvised buckler...

[Bruno]

Originally Posted by tbrock1031

On a tangent, what effect does other metals have on shield? For example: Bronze

Can't answer the rest, but bronze is like iron, but costs about 4 times as much (The ratio varies with period and region, like any other price, but Low Tech is suggesting a generic 4x).

Note that the weird Basic Set idea that bronze is softer somehow than iron (it isn't) is also corrected in Low Tech.

[mlangsdorf]

And Orichalcum is 1/3 the weight of bronze, so Orichalcum shields weigh 2/3rds as much as normal (x2 for metal, 1/3 for orichalcum).

[roguebfl]

Originally Posted by Bruno

Note that the weird Basic Set idea that bronze is softer somehow than iron (it isn't) is also corrected in Low Tech.

are you reffering to Tin Bronze (Tin and Copper) or Arsenic bronze (Arsenic and Copper)

Arsenic Bronze on has a slight edge and some time a loss to wrought iron on the Vickers hardness, but Tin Bronze is less toxic and Definitely superior in hardness. but Tin and Copper is really found together out side of South East Asia.

But Neither form of Bronze compares in strength pf Steel.

[Dangerious P. Cats]

Is there a point where the weight makes the shield unbalanced or unable to be used offensively? Metal shields are pretty heavey once they get past a certain size and overly heavey shields can be restrictive in their use.

[Crakkerjakk]

Originally Posted by davidtmoore

I disagree. The +1 appears to arise from the fact that the shield's made of metal. The Martial Arts optional rule stipulates that this must be done with a metal shield. So just the Swing-2 for my vote.

Ah, then I retract my earlier statement.

[Bruno]

Originally Posted by Dangerious P. Cats

Is there a point where the weight makes the shield unbalanced or unable to be used offensively? Metal shields are pretty heavey once they get past a certain size and overly heavey shields can be restrictive in their use.

Not officially. Unofficially I use BLx2 as a (generous) rule, based on the One Handed Lift value.

I also use lighter base weights for shields though, the existing ones are a bit crazy.