New DF Race - Kabeiroi

[Bruno]

I have the many fails. This thread is an excellent snapshot of what I'm like in the evenings after they cut my coffee off "so I can sleep".

Sleep. Psheh. Over-rated.

[Bruno]

Originally Posted by Bruno

ST +2
Damage Resistance (Flexible) 2, Kabeiroi Wardancer Talent +2, Penetrating Voice, Robust Hearing, Chummy, Noisy -1, OPH: No Inside Voice.

OK, listing everything (I hope) with point values, and hopefully not leaving anything out this time.

ST +2 [20]
DR 2 (Flexible) [8]
Extra FP 2 [6]
Kabeiroi Wardancer Talent +2 [10]
Penetrating Voice [1]
Robust Hearing [1]

46 positive points

Chummy [-5]
Noisy -1 [-2]
OPH No Inside Voice [-5]
Stubbornness [-5]

17 negative points

= 29 points.

I'd like to add a perk or something just to make a tidy 30 point value template. Temperature Tolerance 1 (Heat)?

[Anders]

Originally Posted by Bruno

OK, listing everything (I hope) with point values, and hopefully not leaving anything out this time.

ST +2 [20]
DR 2 (Flexible) [8]
Extra FP 2 [6]
Kabeiroi Wardancer Talent +2 [10]
Penetrating Voice [1]
Robust Hearing [1]

46 positive points

Chummy [-5]
Noisy -1 [-2]
OPH No Inside Voice [-5]
Stubbornness [-5]

17 negative points

= 29 points.

I'd like to add a perk or something just to make a tidy 30 point value template. Temperature Tolerance 1 (Heat)?

Special Training: Kiai? Seems like they should be able to learn it regardless of setting.

[Bruno]

Perhaps Striking Surface (brass knuckles built in!)

[Anders]

Dabbler in Singing and Dancing. Oh, and there's a word missing in the first post.

Whispering is for feeble people that don't have the wind to project their voices, or the .

We usually expect a word after "the". :)

[Bruno]

I have realized that some of the races in DF3 have their racial talents at 1 level instead of two. I'm considering dropping the racial talent to +1 (always with the option to buy up to 4 levels, of course) to bring down the cost of the template somewhat and make it slightly more accessible.

What I'm most worried about is treading all over the Dwarf - I don't want to produce something that's "Like a dwarf, but better in almost all ways" for the dwarven "Choice Professions" of Barbarian, Cleric, Holy Warrior and Knight. I like dwarves ;)

Converting the Lifting ST to full ST, giving more DR, no Move penalty, no really big value disadvantage like Greed... On the other hand the Kabeiroi racial talent has less immediately-combat-applicable skills, Dwarven Gear is a pretty awesome perk, and Night Vision 5 comes up a lot in my experience. And dwarves can be sneaky and scouty, whereas Kabeiroi are catastrophically bad at it. (With Chummy and Noisy, you can't even reliably tell them to "Wait here while the rest of us go look").

[Not another shrubbery]

The details of the template don't interest me as much as the obscure mythology reference... Nice! *thumb-up*

[Gold & Appel Inc]

Originally Posted by Bruno

Perhaps Striking Surface (brass knuckles built in!)

Needs un-flexible DR 3+ for that (could sub: Blunt Claws)...

If you give them Kiai, I suggest swapping out Leadership for it in the racial Talent and let their natural leaders have Born War Leader and/or Charisma.

[Gold & Appel Inc]

Originally Posted by Bruno

What I'm most worried about is treading all over the Dwarf - I don't want to produce something that's "Like a dwarf, but better in almost all ways" for the dwarven "Choice Professions" of Barbarian, Cleric, Holy Warrior and Knight. I like dwarves ;)

They are kind of badass, but Dwarves have a built-in fan base...

Originally Posted by Bruno

Converting the Lifting ST to full ST, giving more DR, no Move penalty, no really big value disadvantage like Greed... On the other hand the Kabeiroi racial talent has less immediately-combat-applicable skills, Dwarven Gear is a pretty awesome perk, and Night Vision 5 comes up a lot in my experience. And dwarves can be sneaky and scouty, whereas Kabeiroi are catastrophically bad at it. (With Chummy and Noisy, you can't even reliably tell them to "Wait here while the rest of us go look").

Eliminating +HT was a step in the right direction for that... You could widen the existing gaps between them and the Dwarves and shear some points by making them Gregarious instead of Chummy, or maybe Night Blind, or Susceptible to poisons (including alcohol - these guys are more towards the camp of Hephaestos than Dionysius)...

[sir_pudding]

Aren't they supposed to be simple and childlike (as befits a first people) maybe Gullibility or Xeno-Philia (or at least Quirk versions thereof) would differentiate them from the gruff and suspicious dwarves.