Annihilate

Bradwilcox · 03-05-2010, 01:02 AM

I wanted to clarify a few questions about the card Annihilation. The card specifically states that the "target card must be in play when you use Annihilation on it." What constitutes a card being "in play". From the rules it seems very clear that any items affecting your character (class, race, items, permanent curses) are in play, as well as any monsters currently in combat (and any modifiers applied to them). What about a one-shot like Out to Lunch, or a GuaL card? This came to question when a player in my last game was one level from winning, and about to easily defeat a monster. Another player used Out to Lunch (which states that all monsters are discarded and the player in combat draws 2 treasures immediately) in order to prevent the game winning combat. The player in combat used Annihilation on the OTL card to ensure that his combat would be won, level gained, and game over. Is the OTL card "in play"?

Jarlaxle · 03-05-2010, 01:08 AM

It can also be used to annihilate a card as it's being played to make the card have no effect. The person in combat who used annihilation did so legally. Here's a link where Erik (MunchkinMan) confirms this. http://forums.sjgames.com/showpost.p...00&postcount=4

MunchkinMan · 03-05-2010, 06:12 AM

As to what's obviously "in play." Items you are carrying (and therefore Steeds and Ships, if you're blending), Hirelings and their ilk, any Class/Race/Style/Accent/Training/Loyalty/Power/Origin you have, Half-Breed, Super Munchkin, Bilingual, and cards like that. There are probably some that I have missed, and very possibly more will be added as time goes on.

As to what's not in play, that might not be so obvious: Persistent curses (like Chicken On Your Head or Tiny Hands). As above, I may be missing something in my pre-coffee haze, but that's what I've got for now.

I've always considered Monsters and one-shot cards (e.g., "usable once only" Items and Monster Enhancers) in play during a combat, but once combat is decided in victory for the munchkin(s), all the Monsters have been slain, so all those cards are no longer in play and you can't Annihilate one to take away all of its Treasure.

As for the other issue, as was already stated in that nice link to my own words, but worth repeating: It says, right on the card, that it cancels a card if it has just been played, and that's some strong juju right there. Canceling a card means it has no effect at all, just like Wishing Ring can cancel the effect of a curse as it's being played (especially curses that have instant effect, like "Lose a Level" or "Discard 2 Cards") so it has no effect at all. . .

RL · 03-05-2010, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by MunchkinMan

As for the other issue, as was already stated in that nice link to my own words, but worth repeating: It says, right on the card, that it cancels a card if it has just been played, and that's some strong juju right there. Canceling a card means it has no effect at all, just like Wishing Ring can cancel the effect of a curse as it's being played (especially curses that have instant effect, like "Lose a Level" or "Discard 2 Cards") so it has no effect at all. . .

I'd like to ask for a quick verification. If I flip over a monster card while Opening The Door, and someone immediately plays Annihilate on it, then I do not Open The Door again, combat never happened, and I move on to either Look For Trouble or Loot The Room.

Yukimura · 03-05-2010, 10:45 PM

Yes I think so Chad. I already asked that question once. Here is the link:

http://forums.sjgames.com/showthread.php?t=66029

Eric said that you don't get to draw another door card here. :)

Cheers,
Yukimura

03-05-2010, 01:02 AM	#1
Bradwilcox Join Date: Mar 2010	Annihilate I wanted to clarify a few questions about the card Annihilation. The card specifically states that the "target card must be in play when you use Annihilation on it." What constitutes a card being "in play". From the rules it seems very clear that any items affecting your character (class, race, items, permanent curses) are in play, as well as any monsters currently in combat (and any modifiers applied to them). What about a one-shot like Out to Lunch, or a GuaL card? This came to question when a player in my last game was one level from winning, and about to easily defeat a monster. Another player used Out to Lunch (which states that all monsters are discarded and the player in combat draws 2 treasures immediately) in order to prevent the game winning combat. The player in combat used Annihilation on the OTL card to ensure that his combat would be won, level gained, and game over. Is the OTL card "in play"?

03-05-2010, 01:08 AM	#2
Jarlaxle Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Wichita, KS (Soon to move back to Lincoln, NE)	Re: Annihilate It can also be used to annihilate a card as it's being played to make the card have no effect. The person in combat who used annihilation did so legally. Here's a link where Erik (MunchkinMan) confirms this. http://forums.sjgames.com/showpost.p...00&postcount=4 Last edited by Jarlaxle; 03-05-2010 at 01:16 AM.

03-05-2010, 06:12 AM	#3
MunchkinMan Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Macungie, PA	Re: Annihilate As to what's obviously "in play." Items you are carrying (and therefore Steeds and Ships, if you're blending), Hirelings and their ilk, any Class/Race/Style/Accent/Training/Loyalty/Power/Origin you have, Half-Breed, Super Munchkin, Bilingual, and cards like that. There are probably some that I have missed, and very possibly more will be added as time goes on. As to what's not in play, that might not be so obvious: Persistent curses (like Chicken On Your Head or Tiny Hands). As above, I may be missing something in my pre-coffee haze, but that's what I've got for now. I've always considered Monsters and one-shot cards (e.g., "usable once only" Items and Monster Enhancers) in play during a combat, but once combat is decided in victory for the munchkin(s), all the Monsters have been slain, so all those cards are no longer in play and you can't Annihilate one to take away all of its Treasure. As for the other issue, as was already stated in that nice link to my own words, but worth repeating: It says, right on the card, that it cancels a card if it has just been played, and that's some strong juju right there. Canceling a card means it has no effect at all, just like Wishing Ring can cancel the effect of a curse as it's being played (especially curses that have instant effect, like "Lose a Level" or "Discard 2 Cards") so it has no effect at all. . . __________________ Erik D. Zane *Munchkin* NetRep -- munchkin@sjgames.com MiB #1029 Last edited by MunchkinMan; 03-05-2010 at 06:16 AM.

03-05-2010, 10:45 PM	#5
Yukimura Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: All across New Zealand.	Re: Annihilate Yes I think so Chad. I already asked that question once. Here is the link: http://forums.sjgames.com/showthread.php?t=66029 Eric said that you don't get to draw another door card here. :) Cheers, Yukimura __________________ Fly our flag, we teach them fear, Capture them, the end is near, Firing guns, they shall burn, Surrender or fight, there is no return, Under Jolly Roger!