Ensuring post-apocalyptic survival at TL8?

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Originally Posted by Agramer

Who will pass all that specialised knowledge to next generation(Which is 1st premise of Molokhs question).

I don't believe you have a realistic notion of how knowledge gets passed on and how skills get maintained.

A skill that is practiced is remembered by its practitioner;
a skill that is practiced in a small community tends to get passed on within the community.

Modern education often serves as soul-destroying busywork that obstructs skill transmission.

Do you disagree?

Originally Posted by Agramer

When spare parts run out who will produce new ones and how?

The Gingery method was detailed in my previous post. Gingery was one real-life person who built a ridiculously complete machine shop. His methods are widely studied - but apparently not by everyone.

Originally Posted by Agramer

Who will feed numerous offspring's? If your automated Hydroponics are that good..where is limit? Amount,wear/tear...etc Regardless someone has to work even in automated Hydrophonics.

Apparently my previous post on this matter did not make my position clear.

I have already claimed that each household can produce abundant food with minimal work. Apparently you wish to contest some part of that claim, but we haven't gotten down to specifics for some reason.

http://books.google.com/books?id=9_s...ing%22&f=false

http://www.your-vegetable-gardening-...gardening.html

Originally Posted by Agramer

How many little things do you think constitute overall TL?

Your rhetoric is ambiguous. Are you implying that everyone else on this thread has a complete, itemized list of TL details, but I don't? Are you implying that the number of little things is incalculably vast?

Reality Check: Real-life academics write papers about how many little things make up real-life TLs.
Let me quote four papers.

1-
McCarthy, I., Ridgway, K., 2000. Cladistics: a taxonomy for manufacturing
organizations. Integrated Manufacturing Systems 11 (1), 16–29.

2- This paper doesn't give a full taxonomy for all tech levels - it is just a close-up view of modern manufacturing. However, it pushes the technique of cladistics for industrial problems.

Achieving agility using cladistics: an evolutionary analysis
C. Tsinopoulos*, I.P. McCarthy

Journal of Materials Processing Technology 107 (2000) 338±346


3-
Journal of Cleaner Production 13 (2005) 887-902

Modelling manufacturing evolution: thoughts on
sustainable industrial development
James Scott Baldwin, Peter M. Allen,
Belinda Winder, Keith Ridgway

Abstract
With many tools available for industrial sustainability, it appears that problems now lie in implementation. Management
uncertainties and other barriers are undermining progress toward sustainable industrial development. With the aim of modelling
manufacturing evolution, this paper presents a study that integrates manufacturing cladistics, an evolutionary classification scheme
from the biological sciences, with evolutionary systems modelling, from the physical sciences. The study highlights the problems
associated with the implementation of new technologies and practices. This new approach is then evaluated in the context of
sustainable manufacturing. The aim would be to guide transformations and explore the evolutionary differences between sustainable
and non-sustainable organisations, and identify new structures offering industry novel solutions for sustainability.



Keywords: Sustainability; Manufacturing cladistics; Evolutionary systems; Organisational transformations; Management decision-making


4-
CIRP Annals - Manufacturing Technology 57 (2008) 467–472
Modelling evolution in manufacturing: A biological analogy
Hoda ElMaraghy, Tarek AlGeddawy, Ahmed Azab

from the Abstract-
An innovative mapping between the evolution of
manufactured products and biological evolution is proposed where cladistics are used to track such
evolution. A typical industrial example is used for illustration. The significance and applications of this
approach are discussed. The obtained results provide a promising foundation for future research in
products and manufacturing systems evolution and co-evolution.

Originally Posted by Agramer

And besides main point is to have expanding community which will preserve its TL level and in 2nd-3rd generation even start to increase it.

I don't want to speculate about how many generations would be required to advance tech until we can agree on more fundamental issues of the argument.

Originally Posted by Agramer

Who will tune Pianos when Physician is having fulltime job of being physician and let alone teach children poetry.Besides when will he find time to teach next generation of physicians....If hes doing it..knowledge will be lost..let alone piano tuning and nuances of poetry.

I don't think I made myself clear with the piano-tuning comment. Let's leave that to the side and return to the issue of labor economics after we have a handle on the engineering feasibility of using five hundred people to build a toolset.

Originally Posted by Agramer

What about wife? Is she breeding agricultural organisms or for medicine or for any of hundreds of potential fields? How can she do all that stuff.

I can't be sure from your written communication style, but I think you're letting your rhetorical flourishes distract us from the issues.

When you ask "How can she do all that stuff?" I'm not sure if you're stressing that it's impossible, or if you're requesting an explanation.

Originally Posted by Agramer

see... ;)

I don't concede any of the points I think you've tried to make. However, my grasp of your communication is loose, and I don't know that I'm evaluating your thoughts as they were intended.

Also I apologize for not posting this many hours ago - for some reason I couldn't log onto this forum for most of yesterday.