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[naloth]

Originally Posted by PPoS

Still using the official numbers for armour here, but yeah maybe it could be increased a bit. Any suggestions ?

Where you did you get it from (Vehicles/Mecha/other)?

I agree on the armour divisior of the Assault Cannon.
The damage for the Power Fist was tuned down because I thought it would be enough.

For the power fist 6d+2 does and average of 23 damage. Even with a /10 against DR200, that's only 3 damage. With HP120, that's going to take a lot of hits even if none of them are defended.

[PPoS]

Originally Posted by naloth

Where you did you get it from (Vehicles/Mecha/other)?

I got it from "Imperial Armour Volume 2" which states that the thickness is 75mm. Not sure about armour composition though so I guess that it could be more than 70 DR/inch.

Originally Posted by naloth

For the power fist 6d+2 does and average of 23 damage. Even with a /10 against DR200, that's only 3 damage. With HP120, that's going to take a lot of hits even if none of them are defended.

Yeah, I increased it to ST 100 so now it does an average of 42 instead.

[KjetilKverndokken]

Originally Posted by PPoS

Still using the official numbers for armour here, but yeah maybe it could be increased a bit. Any suggestions ?

I agree on the armour divisior of the Assault Cannon.
The damage for the Power Fist was tuned down because I thought it would be enough.

I think a dread should be able to rip through Rhinos and chimeras, for something heavier they are armed with something else ;-)

[PPoS]

Originally Posted by KjetilKverndokken

I think a dread should be able to rip through Rhinos and chimeras, for something heavier they are armed with something else ;-)

I think according to WH40k lore, the Assault Cannon is able to "eat" through armour because of its high rate of fire. So just give them Ablative DR.

[KjetilKverndokken]

Originally Posted by PPoS

I think according to WH40k lore, the Assault Cannon is able to "eat" through armour because of its high rate of fire. So just give them Ablative DR.

I was more thinking about the Power fist though :)

[naloth]

Originally Posted by PPoS

I got it from "Imperial Armour Volume 2" which states that the thickness is 75mm. Not sure about armour composition though so I guess that it could be more than 70 DR/inch.

I see. I don't know if there's an DR/inch/TL table anywhere but given that we are making Power Armor DR150, I would suggest that Dreads be significantly higher. Bolter fire isn't supposed to be able to hurt them ever (anywhere).

Yeah, I increased it to ST 100 so now it does an average of 42 instead.

Better, but it's going to depend on how the other vehicles are statted.

[PPoS]

Originally Posted by naloth

Bolter fire isn't supposed to be able to hurt them ever (anywhere).

Oh, I was not aware of this. I'll put the DR around 300 then.

Originally Posted by naloth

Better, but it's going to depend on how the other vehicles are statted.

Well the vehicles I've statted so far have been using the same official armour thickness values at DR 70/inch, some (like the Baneblade) have had their armour values increased due to armour slope.

[naloth]

Originally Posted by PPoS

Oh, I was not aware of this. I'll put the DR around 300 then.

From memory...

Yes, Dreads are AV12/12/11 (front/sides/rear). Bolters are S4+d6 so they can't n get an 11. The front armor should also be immune to Hvy Bolters (S5+d6) though it has a slight chance of glancing the rear armor. Glancing hits can't be that damaging (at best knock out a weapon/immobilize).

Landspeeders are AV10/10/10.
Rhinos are AV11/11/10.
Predators are AV13/11/10.
Land Raiders are AV14/14/14.

For Imperial Guard:
Leman Russ is AV14/12/10.
Chimera is AV12/10/10.
Sentinel is AV10/10/10.

[Sam Baughn]

Originally Posted by naloth

From memory...

Yes, Dreads are AV12/12/11 (front/sides/rear). Bolters are S4+d6 so they can't n get an 11. The front armor should also be immune to Hvy Bolters (S5+d6) though it has a slight chance of glancing the rear armor. Glancing hits can't be that damaging (at best knock out a weapon/immobilize).

Actually, marine dreadnoughts are 12/12/10 in the tabletop game, so they can take glancing hits from bolters and heavy bolters can get penetrating hits.

Leman Russ armour got upgraded in the recent codex - they are now 14/13/10 (or 14/13/11 for the heavier variants).

You also need to bear in mind that 40k armour values represent a mix of what would be DR and HP in GURPS.

Anyway, here's another template...

Imperial Guard Commissar (155 points)

Attributes: ST 11 [10]; DX 12 [40]; IQ 12 [40]; HT 11 [10].

Secondary Characteristics: Damage 1d-1/1d+1; BL 24 lbs.; HP 11 [0]; Will 12 [0]; Per 12 [0]; FP 11 [0]; Basic Speed 5.75 [0]; Basic Move 5 [0].

Advantages: Legal Enforcement Powers [10]; Social Regard (Feared) 2 [10]; Military Rank 2 [10] and 15 points chosen from among Ambidexterity [5], Combat Reflexes [15], Fearlessness [2/level], High Pain Threshold [10] or Unfazeable [15].

Disadvantages: Duty (Extremely Hazardous, Quite Often) [-15] and -15 points from Bully [-10], Callous [-5], Fanaticism (Imperium of Man) [-15], Honesty [-10], No Sense of Humour [-10], On the Edge [-15], Stubbornness [-5] or Workaholic [-5].

Primary Skills: One of Intimidation (A) Will+1 [4]-13 or Propaganda (A) IQ+1 [4]-13; One of Law (Military) (H) IQ [4]-12, Savoir-Faire (Military) (E) IQ+2 [4]-14 or Soldier (A) IQ+1 [4]-13; One of Leadership (A) IQ+2 [8]-14 or Public Speaking (A) IQ+2 [8]-14.

Secondary Skills: One of Administration (A) IQ+1 [4]-13, Intelligence Analysis (H) IQ [4]-12 or Tactics (H) IQ [4]-12; One of Beam Weapons (Pistol) (E) DX+2 [4]-14 or Guns (Gyroc) (E) DX+2 [4]-14; One of Brawling (E) DX+2 [4]-14 or Broadsword (A) DX+1 [4]-14; One of Criminology (A) IQ [2]-12 or Psychology (A) IQ [2]-12.

Background Skills: One of Beam Weapons (Rifle) (E) DX+2 [4]-14, Environment Suit (A) DX+1 [4]-13, Fast Draw (Pistol or Sword) (E) DX+2 [4]-14 or Hiking (A) HT+1 [4]-12; One of Body Language (A) Per [2]-12, Detect Lies (H) Per-1 [2]-11 or Observation (A) Per [2]-12; One of Interrogation (A) IQ+1 [4]-13, Search (A) Per+1 [4]-13 or Shadowing (A) IQ+1 [4]-13.

[KjetilKverndokken]

Perfect Organism - you are making very good templates here. Making my preparations going very smooth indeed :).