Why is Broad-Minded a Quirk?

[Phil Masters]

Originally Posted by Peter Knutsen

One could make a Perk that's a bit like that, Free of Prejudice, that makes the player exempt from XP penalties for failing to roleplay his character as realistically prejudiced, in settings where prejudice is extremely common, but it would be a Perk quite distinct from the Broad-Minded Quirk.

Actually, I think that "Okay to be okay with everyone" would usually be more distantly akin to Honest Face. With the perk, you never get hassled by anyone for associating with anyone else, provided that you don't actually seem to be blatantly "on their side". It's a perk for a peacemaker priest or social club owner in a certain type of Hollywood movie, or a tolerated snitch, or a priest or herald in a medieval game; someone who somehow gets away with talking to everyone, on both sides of every dividing line there is, without anyone trusting them the less. It sort-of encompasses Broad Minded, without any of the possible minor drawbacks of that, and no problem with getting the player to roleplay it (because if they don't, it's just a wasted point anyway).

"So Father MacIrishman was talkin' to the Sharks last week, and to Officer Krupke yesterday? Yeah, well, that's what priests do - and he ain't gonna sell us out or anythin'. Everyone reckons he's cool."

"Bubbles is talking to the cops? Yeah, whatever. He's a dope fiend, right? He'll talk to anyone. Don't mean nothin'."

[Figleaf23]

Originally Posted by Phil Masters

Actually, I think that "Okay to be okay with everyone" would usually be more distantly akin to Honest Face. With the perk, you never get hassled by anyone for associating with anyone else, provided that you don't actually seem to be blatantly "on their side". It's a perk for a peacemaker priest or social club owner in a certain type of Hollywood movie, or a tolerated snitch, or a priest or herald in a medieval game; someone who somehow gets away with talking to everyone, on both sides of every dividing line there is, without anyone trusting them the less. It sort-of encompasses Broad Minded, without any of the possible minor drawbacks of that, and no problem with getting the player to roleplay it (because if they don't, it's just a wasted point anyway).

"So Father MacIrishman was talkin' to the Sharks last week, and to Officer Krupke yesterday? Yeah, well, that's what priests do - and he ain't gonna sell us out or anythin'. Everyone reckons he's cool."

"Bubbles is talking to the cops? Yeah, whatever. He's a dope fiend, right? He'll talk to anyone. Don't mean nothin'."

This is very interesting. I wonder how much 'social immunity' a single perk should be allowed to cover and how the could be categorized if more than one is appropriate.

Like this?

Perk: Feud Immunity?
Or Perk: Feud Immunity (Hatfields and McCoys)?

[kenclary]

Originally Posted by Figleaf23

Actually, while the description on page b163 doesn't specify magic, it DOES say you get along with strangers.

It doesn't say they get along with you, however. Your reactions to them are generally positive; this doesn't mean they like you too.

[aesir23]

Originally Posted by Figleaf23

This is very interesting. I wonder how much 'social immunity' a single perk should be allowed to cover and how the could be categorized if more than one is appropriate.

Like this?

Perk: Feud Immunity?
Or Perk: Feud Immunity (Hatfields and McCoys)?

Maybe: Feud Immunity (New York City)

[David Johnston2]

Originally Posted by Figleaf23

Except, of course, the book doesn't say any of that.

Yes it does. It says you get along with them.

[vicky_molokh]

Originally Posted by aesir23

Maybe: Feud Immunity (New York City)

At first I read that as Freud Immunity.

[Phoenix_Dragon]

Originally Posted by Figleaf23

Except, of course, the book doesn't say any of that.

It does say that "good" disadvantages are still disadvantages because they restrict your character's actions or reactions. The criteria for mental quirks, on the same page, says that they must either require a specific action, behavior, or choice, or give you a small penalty very occasionally or for a very specific thing.

Also, it does say you "get along well with other races and species." Emphasis on "well." So yes, by default you react well to strangers and monsters and whatever else there is that's "different" from your culture. If you choose not to repeatedly, you get penalized for not roleplaying your quirks appropriately. Someone without it is more free to choose their reactions. This is even more clear if you refer back to Xenophilia, of which Broad-Minded is explicitly a minor version of.

[B9anders]

surprised there are so many who seem not to get how disadvantages work.

It's worth bearing in mind that a character with no disadvantages or quirks has a 100% flexible and adaptable character. He is capable of adjusting his outlook behaviour according to any circumstance (providing of course, he has the IQ to read the circumstances accurately).

Such a character is capable of being broadminded when useful, he can make callous decisions when needed, be kind and giving in other circumstances, act intolerant when in intolerant company and none of it will be 'out of character'.

A character with the broadminded 'quirk' has to be broadminded. He gains no benefits a character without this quirk doesn't already have and loses a range of choices in certain situations. It's a trivially limited range (hence being a quirk), but it's a range a character without the quirk doesn't lose.

[Figleaf23]

Originally Posted by kenclary

It doesn't say they get along with you, however. Your reactions to them are generally positive; this doesn't mean they like you too.

Getting along is a two way street, otherwise the description could just say 'You like strangers'.

[Figleaf23]

Originally Posted by David Johnston2

Yes it does. It says you get along with them.

You seem to have ignored what I was replying to there.