[theories] Where does dissonance come from?

[tHEhERETIC]

So let me make sure I understand: You tell an Ofanite "Stay put" and he does, he's risking dissonance. You tie him down and while he'll be annoyed he won't be getting dissonance.

Better invest in really good rope... ;)

[William]

Originally Posted by tHEhERETIC

So let me make sure I understand: You tell an Ofanite "Stay put" and he does, he's risking dissonance. You tie him down and while he'll be annoyed he won't be getting dissonance.

As long as he keeps trying to escape. If he surrenders and stops working at the problem, he gets dissonant. Stopping physically moving to concentrate on thinking of a way out, or consciously acting as if they've given up and are now dissonant, are still doing things, but actually just sitting there would be dissonant.

[JCD]

How often dissonance?

Three examples

How often does the Ofanim have to attempt to escape?

If an Impudite sets a bomb that kills 3 people, is it one point or three?

A Seraph lies to one person. He lies to three people. He talks to three people on three seperate occasions but repeats the same lie they had already heard.

How much Dissonance in each case?

[Rocket Man]

Originally Posted by JCD

How often dissonance?

Three examples

How often does the Ofanim have to attempt to escape?

If an Impudite sets a bomb that kills 3 people, is it one point or three?

A Seraph lies to one person. He lies to three people. He talks to three people on three seperate occasions but repeats the same lie they had already heard.

How much Dissonance in each case?

Based on my own reading:

1) Not sure.

2) Three. "Personally killing a human -- through action or inaction -- causes dissonance in Impudites."(In Nomine, p. 153). So one note for each death, even if it's a single act that causes multiple deaths.

3)The APG simply lists the Seraph's dissonance condition as "lying"; based on the context there and elsewhere, I believe each spoken lie is meant to be a separate dissonant act. So based on that, it would be:

3a) One note for the single lie to the single person
3b) One note for the single lie to the group of three people
3c) Three notes total for talking to three separate people on three separate occasions and lying once to each of them. It doesn't matter that they've heard the lie before. What matters is that it's still not true.

[Dalillama]

Originally Posted by JCD

How often does the Ofanim have to attempt to escape?

If an Impudite sets a bomb that kills 3 people, is it one point or three?

A Seraph lies to one person. He lies to three people. He talks to three people on three seperate occasions but repeats the same lie they had already heard.

How much Dissonance in each case?

1) I would rule that any action taken by the Ofanite that is not part of an escape attempt would create Dissonance, including inaction if it isn't part of a ruse or plan.

2&3) I'm with Rocket Man

[Archangel Beth]

I would probably allow an Ofanite to go flop, while mentally going, "Think, think, think, needaplanneedaplan!" On the other hand, it would probably be a pretty short flop -- I call my kid an "Impufanite," after all, because

1) She sucks energy from other people.
2) She is constantly moving unless she's out of energy.
3) Whereupon she tries to suck energy from me again.

For an Ofanite, trying to get loose isn't likely to be a *difficult* choice unless maybe it's getting electric shocks every time it twitches. If it's nearly impossible for one probably-human kid to hold still... How much more-so for an Ofanite?